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GahGah604
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12-23-2008, 12:11 PM
Post subject: how can I lose the tight table image ?
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2008
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ok lets say for the first hour or so of play, I am totally card dead. I have not played a single hand. Well I might have limped in a couple times but nothing special.
What can I do to loosen up my table image ? throw in a raise in late postion with garbage or show a bluff ? I buy in with 200, so I do not want to lose 25 bucks just to lose a tight table image.
any ideas ?
1/2 no limit Is the game I play.
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pokerfan
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4-of-a-Kind
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try some cheap bluffs on early streets or steal some pots when no one shows interest. Also, you should widen your range of open raising hands from late positions and make yourself unpredictable and difficult to play against.
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pgil
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Full House
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don't worry too much about table image. unless you have sat around for a few hours without so much as limping in, I wouldn't worry about it. If you are really concerned about this, make a blind raise next time you are UTG, this works better if you are the first to do this.
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jyms
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My stats on people show every hand they have played. One bad run doesnt change your stats.
A tight image makes stealing easier. Makes 3bets very profitable.
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avs33
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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Pokerfan gave some good advice. Every table is different when it comes to how they think you play. I was at a table not too long ago and I probably folded the first 8 or so hands, and automatically I was labled VERY TIGHT.
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Maybe...... Maybe not....... Maybe fuck yourself.
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FlowJoe
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The only way to loosen up you table image is to make some loose calls and/or 2-3 bet some hands in mid-late position. You might even try raising early, rarely however as there's far to go. This is the question as far as I can see in tournaments. I always pick up hands, but unless I'm on a rush the blinds will get me. SO bluffing/stealing here and there is mandatory and required to be mastered in tournament play. You gotta call/bet and see flops. Somebody said, "You gotta give action to get action"
Peace,
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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i think the real question becomes: WHY do you want to loosen your table image if you are card dead at the lower stakes in a live game?
you arent going to be seeing 100 hands/hr. and, neither is anyone else. just stay patient in ep and make up for it late.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Freeroller
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Chopper
i think the real question becomes: WHY do you want to loosen your table image if you are card dead at the lower stakes in a live game?
you arent going to be seeing 100 hands/hr. and, neither is anyone else. just stay patient in ep and make up for it late.
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this as well as bluff into a calling station oop.
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Fnord
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Don't worry about it. I play my best on a tight image.
My favorite play:
Loose/Passive/Bad/Tilty open limps from LP. I raise my button to $50 with a suited Queen, blinds fold, limper calls. Flop is 3-cards and he folds to a $75 flop bet.
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GahGah604
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2008
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what if mr loosey calls ? or even worse... loosely pushes ? or loosey hits something ?
you lose your 200 buy in quick ! I hate that lol
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I was once card dead except I kept getting JJ+ and NOTHING else
and I kept flopping top set
people put me on top set "reliably" and still called me down
this is limit though ~
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justaskjulie
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Being too tight can play against you if it gets to the point where no one is even willing to call you. You may want to try playing some mid pre-flop hands just to see where they go when you can get in cheap. I know when it's real money nothing seems cheap because you don't want to risk it. But you have to risk to play.
One thing I'm trying to get over right now is just to be more aggressive when I have a hand. I'll raise but too often not enough to put people off the hand (when I need to) and they end up river-ing out on me.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
you lose your 200 buy in quick ! I hate that lol
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Stop caring so much about it. Just get your money in good and bring a lot of money with you.
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oskar
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Don't change your play because you're card dead. If you're really getting respect, then start stealing the blinds, and raising the limpers from CO and Button. I doubt it though. If it's anything like the live games I've played in, then you can not play a single hand for an hour, and have them pay you off with second pair when you finally decide to play.
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Fnord
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...or back raise 46o and suck out on you for $1600.
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ChezJ
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Full House
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agree with iopq... i was at the taj playing 3/6 lhe and got dealt NOTHING for the first 2 hours. i was down $30-$40 from the blinds alone. when i finally got AQ a couple times and raised it pre flop, the old geezers practically fell over in shock that i was actually playing a hand. but that did not stop them for a second from cold calling me. cbetting was completely pointless when i whiffed the flops.
otoh, playing 1/2 nl the same night, my tight image helped when i would cc the table tagg with a pp and raise his cbet on a rag flop. i did this several times and always took it down either right there or on the turn. the last time, it turns out we both had 99 but he mucked his to my action based on my image.
ChezJ
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dranger7070
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Raise every hand for 3 orbits imo. That should do that trick 
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Knytestorme
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Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by justaskjulie
I'll raise but too often not enough to put people off the hand (when I need to) and they end up river-ing out on me.
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I've noticed this a lot playing live, and it's usually because people don't take the time to count what's in the pot already before betting and so give odds to get called down on.
As an example playing 2/5 NL here you will often get a betting pattern such as this.....MP1 raises to 20, MP2 calls, button raises to 50, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls so there is now $202 in the pot but then button will only be $50 on the flop and continue to bet less because they don't keep track of the pot.
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