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Molinero
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05-02-2005, 05:02 PM
Post subject: high-stakes players slumming it
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2004
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What do you do?
You sit down at a table at which you are an easy favorite to win, and after that, a dude who's used to 5/10 NL joins your 1/2 table (live game, BTW). $25 pot-sized bets are NOTHING to him...and he plays accordingly.
Is it time to go?[/list]
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ChezJ
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
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$25 pot sized bets ARE nothing at $1/$2 no limit. if you're not comfortable with betting the pot, i would venture to guess that you are not properly bankrolled for the game.
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Molinero
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In The General Vicinity of Dallas
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Sigh.
Chez, I don't know if you're gunning for me or what, but you seem to be missing the point again.
If the pot contains $25 on the flop, and I bet $25, your gutshot straight draw, open-ended straight draw, and flush draw (not to mention your over-pair draw, second pair draw, and trips draw) have just been killed with regards to pot odds. I don't care what stakes you're playing; calling that bet on a draw is a losing proposition.
My point is:
Oh screw it.
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lonnie
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Full House
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I think it would be time to wait for a big hand and let slumming guy pay you off big. Doesn't sound like the time to try and play drawing hands to me.
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Bmxicle
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Full House
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I almost can't comprehend how everyone dislikes these players. You said yourself that calling a potsized bet with a gutshot is a losing proposition, thus if you are in the hand with him you WIN. When i find a game with these kind of players that just throw money away, i plant myself there until i've got their chips.
You have to adjust your game, but you can and will win alot of money of players that wont fold and call everything.
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jmontis
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2004
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whether he plays 5-10 or not, calling 1:1 bets on gutshots is what you WANT him to do
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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koolmoe
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Molinero
calling that bet on a draw is a losing proposition.
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Not necessarily. It depends on the stack sizes and your willingness to get it all in if his draw hits.
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ChezJ
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
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people who move down in limits temporarily tend to play very sloppy, because their leaks are totally insignificant to them at this level. they are just killing time. they will bluff a lot more and call a lot more, because they don't care enough about the money. they also believe they are so superior to you that they will play more hands and try to demonstrate fancy post-flop play, disregarding the possibility that their TP weak kicker might not actually be best against your TPTK. in this sense they become pure fish, or even "whales." just play your normal tight game and let them do all the betting if they're overaggressive. call them down with decent hands or draws with correct odds (including implied odds) and fold when you miss. don't leave the table... reload your stack and get ready to rock!
ChezJ
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DoGGz
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Damn, I LOVE THESE PLAYERS. I have 2-3 that play my homegame sometimes and I LOVE THEM
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pokerfanatic
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Lets say that chez or I sit down in a .05/.10 limit game, we have the tendency not to give a crap about what we are doing WTF is like $5 to us? It’s not a damn thing, so in this example we would play extremely too loose and sloppy... so goes for any player used to higher levels of play playing the small stakes games...
One example of this is a few of the big MTT and NL ring game players, sometimes you’ll find them on stars at like 4am EST playing .01/.02 PL Omaha hi or hi/lo, if you don’t have a br for like 100nl I don’t suggest playing this game, it’s like $50 pots and crap at times… the one time I played it I dropped like $20 in 20min, I tell you this to make a point, sometimes high stakes players slam it to burn of steam from bad beats or whatever…
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Buy him a drink.
-'rilla
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by doggz
Damn, I LOVE THESE PLAYERS. I have 2-3 that play my homegame sometimes and I LOVE THEM
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Then, answering ChezJ's question, how do you play against them?
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DownLowHo
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by koolmoe
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Originally Posted by Molinero
calling that bet on a draw is a losing proposition.
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Not necessarily. It depends on the stack sizes and your willingness to get it all in if his draw hits. |
Exactly. He is not looking at the pot. He is looking at what you have left behind.
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WhooFleuryScores
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08-02-2005, 06:48 AM
Post subject: I love LAG's
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#14 (permalink)
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Massachusetts
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I love playing LAG's.All you have to do is wait for a hand and trap them.They do all the betting,so all you need to do is wait to raise the river.If I could I would always want no less then one in any of my winning hands,and at least 3 at my table(along with 3 calling stations to add to the dead money,2 rocks,and maybe one other shark to help me learn a few new tricks).
It's great  .
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
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They're not necessarily LAG's though, because they won't be concentrating at all...
Against these players you've gotta play straight up, no fancy stuff or bluffs
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