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Old 12-07-2011, 04:18 AM     Post subject: Hero Call? #1 (permalink)  
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 Playing live sucks due to the lack of tracking software, but I've been playing a lot of 25-50 live games coz of fund transfer problems here in asia online and have been doing okay. (im from the Philippines btw).

This hand happened yesterday and got me really confused.
25-50 8-handed game in the local casino.

Terribad UTG+1 Limps
Hero: HiJack with Ac-Qs
Stack~ 7000
Raises to 200

BTN: Villain: : I think he's a reg. Been raising the BTN relentlessly and been 3-betting LP raisers a lot as well. He's been winning a ton of pots before showdown.
And in the little times he got to showdown, he called 4-bet shove and showed a crushed 4-4 vs Q-Q and went for thin value/merge by betting mid pair on a pretty wet board.

If I were to construct his 3-betting range, I'd say he'd probably be 3-betting with premiums as well as A-x hands and probably some SCs and PPs.

Stack~5000
3-bets to: 600

SB, BB and UTG+1 Limper folds
Hero:calls

Preflop pot: 1325.
Flop: Kd-Jd-4c.
Hero checks
Villain bets 400
Hero: Calls.

Pot: 2125

Turn: 6d
Hero checks
Villain checks.

River: 4s
Hero checks (i intend to call a mathematically reasonable bet here, something like 1/3 to 1/2 pot bet or probably even a PSB due to his highly polarised river range).
Villain: Overbet shoves his remaining 4k+

If I were to construct his river range, it would be either A-4, 6-6, K-K, J-J or Ad-xd but Ad-xd is highly unlikely because it seems weird to check the turn on a bloated pot with a flush nor would he not bet the turn with a set. He also wouldn't shove with K-x or J-x

I really think that this is a desperation bluff but calling an almost 80BB shove in this spot with a bluff cathcer is still -EV right? I know that he knows that I'm capable of folding and I can't call an all-in with something really marginal and he is probably putting me on a marginal range.
I have a rule to never call all-ins in live games (for obvious reasons that live players aren't usually shoving without the close nuts) but my read with this particular guy is that he is capable of bluffing all in.
For you guys, would you be more inclined to call or pick a better spot? The issue here really is the lack of pot odds to call for me, despite having a (betsizing) read.


Other lines:
1) is 4-betting OOP w/ AQo warranted in this spot? I could be beating his range but I could also be crushed too (and I'd definitely fold to a shove pre)

2) Perhaps i should've taken control of the action by betting a street?

Thanks guys.
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 i'd probably either C/R the flop or fold. as played i can't see myself making this big a call even though he reps verrrrrrry little
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:28 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'd re-raise pre-flop. AQo out of position isn't going to be fun when we airball the flop.
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'd re-raise pre-flop. AQo out of position isn't going to be fun when we airball the flop.
Fnord, how much do you 4-bet preflop here? If the 3-bet was to 200, do you go to ~400-500? Fold to a shove, and c-bet almost any flop, yes? If called or raised on the flop when we missed, we're pretty much done?

(I don't know the currency here, but I'm assuming this plays like a 1/2 or 2/5NL USD, so I'm dividing by 10 for my "exchange rate")
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Old 12-08-2011, 06:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 i'd just 4 bet to 1800 and bomb the flop

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If the 3-bet was to 200
it was to 600, or 60 if for some reason you're dividing all the numbers by 10.
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either fold pre or set up the go'n'go and raise to 1600-1800 pre and shove most flops.

As played, you set yourself up to make a really tough and awkward decision that you don't really want to make. You're out of position, with a hand that has very marginal showdown value, against an aggressive opp who wins a lot of pots without showdowns and who you think isn't afraid to bluff or value bet marginal hands.
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Fnord, how much do you 4-bet preflop here? If the 3-bet was to 200, do you go to ~400-500? Fold to a shove, and c-bet almost any flop, yes? If called or raised on the flop when we missed, we're pretty much done?
What they said.

Calling a shove, if he's got Aces oh well.
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