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Humphrind
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06-16-2004, 06:18 AM
Post subject: The forbidden
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4-of-a-Kind
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I am going to a home game this Sunday (NL tournament). The weird thing is, I have been warned, check-raises are forbidden.
Does anyone else play this way?
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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strangebird
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Flush
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That is ridiculous. I have never heard that before.
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I've heard of that. From Handbook of Winning Poker by Edwin Silberstang:
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If a player checks before any player has opened, he is not out of the game but can come back and bet by calling the bet. He cannot raise, however, because check-and-raise is not permitted unless all the players agree to it beforehand. If there is no general agreement, check-and-raise is not allowed.
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What a bunch of horse hockey.
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xbones
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Yeah, I think I read it somewhere in a book too, although I thought it was vice-versa, and unless it was made clear you can't check-raise, you could use the manoeuvre.
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Les_Worm
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4-of-a-Kind
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Its nice to play in a homegame but I think this is one I would pass on. I use the check-raise alot and it can be a valueable tool. I wouldn't want to change my game and play without one.
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
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Well, he can make a million rules and I'm still going to play. I've been intending to play with this guy for a while but we have never had an opportunity. Also, it's only a $5 buy in. So not too much is at stake. But I did talk with him a little more about banning check-raises. He said that is how his friends normally play, but this will be at his house, and he likes check-raises, so he's going to allow them under "house rules" law.
He informed me of something else.
In this tournament, the blinds will double every time a player gets knocked out.
It seems like it will take a long time for this game to end.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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Xianti
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Originally Posted by Humphrind
In this tournament, the blinds will double every time a player gets knocked out.
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They got some crazy rules at this house.
Has he done this (blinds going up only when someone gets knocked out) before? I doubt that he has. This will undoubtedly take WAY too long.
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FyrFytr998
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Send him to that Home Poker Tourney site so he can see how to really organize a home game. It's been invaluable to me.
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Karsk
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Join Date: May 2004
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http://www.homepokertourney.com
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Scotty Mac
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06-17-2004, 06:56 PM
Post subject: check raising
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Check raising is overrated anyway. Read Super/System. Make a smallish bet, hopefully he reraises, or at the worst calls, so youget a little more money in there...
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Eric
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The no check raise rule is not fair to the good players. One of your weapons is being taken away.
Sklansky talks about people complaining about check raises in one of his books. He has a good response to tell them but I don't remember it off the top of my head.
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
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Hey, just to keep you updated. The game is this Sunday. I turned my friend onto www.homepokertourney.com and it really helped him out.
His original idea was to have 2 $5 tournaments with the blinds doubling when someone got knocked out. I politely informed him that we will be there until Tuesday afternoon. He got a lot of help planning and he has pretty much turned it into a standard tournament. 1,000 starting chips, blinds doubling every 20 min, 1 tournament, $10 entry.
He's looking to turn this into a semi-weekly thing. Same people, different place. Rules like check-raising will be under 'house rules', not 'league rules' (if you can call this a league) and it turning out to be good.
I just wanted to give everyone a quick thanks for turning me (and him) onto this poker tourney web site.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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Xianti
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Yeah. This new structure sounds much better, Humph.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Eric
The no check raise rule is not fair to the good players. One of your weapons is being taken away.
Sklansky talks about people complaining about check raises in one of his books. He has a good response to tell them but I don't remember it off the top of my head.
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"There are some amateur poker players who find something reprehensible about check-raising. The find it devious and deceitful and consider people who user it to be less than well-bred. Well, check-raising is devious and it is deceitful, but being devious and deceitful is precisely what one wants to be in a poker game, as implied by the Fundamental Theorem of Poker."
"Not allowing check-raising in your home game is somethign like not allowing, say, the hit and run in a baseball game or the option pass in a football game"
- David Skylansky, The Theory of Poker
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fishstick
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Eric
The no check raise rule is not fair to the good players. One of your weapons is being taken away.
Sklansky talks about people complaining about check raises in one of his books. He has a good response to tell them but I don't remember it off the top of my head.
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"There are some amateur poker players who find something reprehensible about check-raising. The find it devious and deceitful and consider people who user it to be less than well-bred. Well, check-raising is devious and it is deceitful, but being devious and deceitful is precisely what one wants to be in a poker game, as implied by the Fundamental Theorem of Poker."
"Not allowing check-raising in your home game is somethign like not allowing, say, the hit and run in a baseball game or the option pass in a football game"
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i guess that rules slowplaying out. 
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Grand_MasterB
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I've heard of many games like this before. They are set up for newbies. Alot of new poker seminars that people can attend have tournaments set up where you cant play like this. If this is the case could be a pretty easy tournament with all beginers
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FyrFytr998
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Milford,Ct.
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Originally Posted by Humphrind
Hey, just to keep you updated. The game is this Sunday. I turned my friend onto www.homepokertourney.com and it really helped him out.
His original idea was to have 2 $5 tournaments with the blinds doubling when someone got knocked out. I politely informed him that we will be there until Tuesday afternoon. He got a lot of help planning and he has pretty much turned it into a standard tournament. 1,000 starting chips, blinds doubling every 20 min, 1 tournament, $10 entry.
He's looking to turn this into a semi-weekly thing. Same people, different place. Rules like check-raising will be under 'house rules', not 'league rules' (if you can call this a league) and it turning out to be good.
I just wanted to give everyone a quick thanks for turning me (and him) onto this poker tourney web site. |
*Pats self on Back* *Pats Karsk on back for linking it because I was too lazy to do it*
You're Welcome. :P
In all reality though. I think Homepokertourney.com is the best resource for organizing tourneys. And it's my second favorite poker site.
Can anyone guess which is my favorite? 
*Shudders to think of the coming responses to thst question.*
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xeqtr
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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FTR?
I bought Super System earlier this summer and have already read it. I love it.
Question: How do you put pictures of playing cards into your posts?
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"Poker's a lot like sex, because everyone thinks they're the best, but most people don't know what they're doing." - Dutch Boyd
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998
Can anyone guess which is my favorite? |
FTR? |
Actually, there is a no solicitation policy that prohibits me from naming the exact site that takes 1st. But rest assured, It's porn.
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Originally Posted by xeqtr
Question: How do you put pictures of playing cards into your posts?
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Edit: Misunderstood the question. 
Here's what I should have written. Check out this thread
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=619
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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heatman
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2004
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If you just want to use the icons, its : Ah: to get :Ah:
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"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."
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johnnyawe
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: San Francisco
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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998
In all reality though. I think Homepokertourney.com is the best resource for organizing tourneys. And it's my second favorite poker site.
Can anyone guess which is my favorite?
*Shudders to think of the coming responses to thst question.* |
wannatalkpoker.com ?
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FyrFytr998
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
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No Humph was right. It's porn. 
No, really. Everyone knows that Phil Hellmuth's web site is thee numero uno poker resource in the known universe.
Oh......wait...........ugh......ack. Sorry. I just had some vomit come up from my stomach when I thought that aloud. :P
*In the Big Gay Al voice* Of course my favorite site is FTR, silly.
I defy you to find me another poker site that has their own thong. Heck yeah. That thong tha thong tha thong. I like the way the booty go...... 8-) Oh excuse me. I get a little carried away sometimes.
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