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GahGah604
Old 12-25-2008, 05:23 AM     Post subject: everytime I start feeling good about my game this happens #1 (permalink)  
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I was really feeling good about my game although the last couple of sessions have resulted in losing my $200 buy in at the casino ($1/$2 no limit) I made some great lay downs, and just got sucked out.

anyway...

my kings got cracked by 9/5 suited

I am in late postion, everyone else folded, only the button and blinds are left. I raise to $12 dollars, button calls and the blinds fold. I do not want to raise too much because I figure I get no callers.

flop brings 9 9 4 rainbow, I bet $15 into a $29 pot.

he reraises me to $30, I smooth call.

I bet $50 on turn, he pushes all in and I lose my $120 stack.

He was a LAG type player.

Should I have folded to either of the reraise's ? I could have put him on a set of 4's or maybe Ace/9.

But when he showed the 9/5 clubs, it just makes me sick.

Did I do anything wrong ? I just get so sick of feeling good about poker and then this shit happens.

i know... boo hoo lol
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:18 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I totally feel you!! The other day, I ended up getting AA twice... The second time I was BB and was up 50 started with 100 (1/2 no limit) so I figured I would raise to 25 bucks.. Everyone folds and SB is debating... A minute passes and he decides to call... He's slightly bigger stacked than myself... Flop comes 10/7/3 rainbow, so he's first and pushes all in... He has me covered so my first thought was he thought I had AK or something and missed and he's trying to steal it... So with that horrible flop I call with my A's... He turns over 3/4 suited!! As luck would have it, the guy hits a 4 on the turn.... Anyways... THATS POKER!!!

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Old 12-27-2008, 03:16 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Everyone has been there. Not saying you did anything wrong, but you need to know your opponent here - is he going to give you a lot of action with a hand you can beat. A lot of LAGs out there will call with all kinds of things preflop looking hit the flop and felt players who can't lay down TPTK or an overpair on the flop.
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:00 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Is he really that LAG post-flop?

So he min-raises you on the flop, then you decide to donk/call turn. Sounds very poorly played to me.
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Old 12-30-2008, 06:58 AM #5 (permalink)  
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so your telling me with pocket kings against a LAG player, you would fold the min raise ? with that flop etc

really ? what would you have put him on to fold to the min raise from the LAG ?

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Old 12-30-2008, 04:15 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Now you're being results oriented.

What I'm saying it is rare where I would call a min-raise on the flop, then donk bet the turn with the intention of stacking off. That's all.

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Old 12-30-2008, 08:31 PM     Post subject: turn play #7 (permalink)  

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I think the call was warranted since the opponent can be put you on a wide variety of hands including a 9 or 4 and may have been trying to keep the pot small with a pair of 4s incase you had Ax. at least your weren't drawing dead. But how can your pair be any good on the river if your opponent was willing to put all his chips. This is a LAG who usually play a lot hands but don't stone cold bluff a lot of big pots unless you notice a betting tendency. ie. bets.. bets ... bets with any two. or check...raise with any two? Usually not online but sometimes. We have to assume based on your info this LAG just wants' to see a lot of flops.

I think a lot of people have made the same mistake though.

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Old 12-30-2008, 08:55 PM #8 (permalink)  
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you are just too result oriented IMO. Your turn b/c line really sucks. When the pot is getting big on the turn, you need a good plan to continue.
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Old 12-30-2008, 10:40 PM #9 (permalink)  
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so then what would have been my best move ?

call the min raise and then check ? he bets big, then I fold ?

I just think I got really unlucky there ? he plays garbage and got lucky.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:29 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 To be brutally honest. Your thought process is wrong on several basic fundamental levels.

1) It's obvious this hand should be in Tilt, not the live poker room
2) You're being results oriented. You're trying to justify what you did, or why you should have played differently because you lost.

You're the one playing with him. In the live I've played a min-raise of a decent bet is sometimes a big hand, sometimes a scared hand. Depends on the player.

Smooth calling the flop is fine, because TT+, and maybe a 4x type hand will stick around (amongst others) and there aren't any draws to worry about. And not much is scary to you.

Why do you bet the turn? Did you think he was going to check behind? What kind of hands do you think he raises with?

I would be tempted to c/c turn and then re-evaluate on river. Let him keep bluffing some hands, and he'll probably value bet small with the 9 because people suck.

Maybe you still get it all in, and lose your stack, but you can play it in a way that when he doesn't have the 9 you win the most from 2nd best holdings.

"he plays garbage and got lucky" this is the talk of a very very inexperienced non-thinking player.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:55 PM #11 (permalink)  
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so then what would have been my best move ?

call the min raise and then check ? he bets big, then I fold ?

I just think I got really unlucky there ? he plays garbage and got lucky.
your best move depends on the game flow and other solid readings in your liver games. Last weekend in 1/2 NL live game, i gave a pain look, check/shove with KK and took down a decent pot vs a semi-loose aggressive player who bet $150 into $200 pot on a scary gunshot turn card. He said he bluffed with flush draw and was forced to call my turn shove.
So we welcome their preflop donkey calls and huge mistakes in deep poker.
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I definately would have folded to a reraise with a pair on the board. It's a hard call... High Pairs are always hard to lay down, but you watch A/A get cracked so many times and you learn.
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Flop is a pretty easy call.
Why did you bet the turn?
What does his flop raise mean? Why did you put $50 before gathering any more information?

I wouldn't worry about this stack-off too much. You might find a way to get away from it, but I'm not giving up easy.
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