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floptquadswunc
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03-02-2009, 02:57 AM
Post subject: Different Strategy or Just Midly Retarded?
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Lately I've been thinking about a different strategy for NL poker. The only problem is that it goes against my general play as a TAG.
I've been wondering if it would make sense to never raise pre-flop, no matter your position or strength of hand (If you would be the first to raise). I'm sure this has got to be wrong, but wouldn't you disguise your hand completely?
Example: KK MP, limp. If it gets raised, you can then decide what to do as far as re-raising, calling to trap, whatever...
Example: AQs on the button, limp. Play the flop that comes, make a big pot after the flop, or keep it small or release it altogether, whatever...
Example: 910s UTG, limp. If someone decides to put in a big raise, and it's not muti-way, and you don't want to play heads up oop against a decent player, fold. Or call, or reraise..whatever....
Is this retarded or could this work better than the usual first in RAISE strategy that so many folks employ? If it is bad, why?
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dranger7070
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I don't like it, because you say "build a big pot postflop." Thats going to be tough to do if its just a limped pot, unless someone gets a hand that is worth betting/raising.
The pot is able to get big by way of the PF raises. I mean, its not a TERRIBLE strategy, and you might be able to exploit your position to take down more small pots, but you aren't going to have many big pots playing this way either imo.
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JKDS
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disguise hand <<<<<<<<<< loss of equity from large hands.
of course, you could disguise your hand other ways, like only raising (never limping) and having a polarized range. This way, your hands are disguised and you dont lose a huge chunk of equity from playing KK multiway.
Also, a huge point is that fish have tendencies that make them make horrible decisions preflop (like calling a raise with a silly hand) while making only mediocre decisions postflop.
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Fnord
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Pot manipulation is a HUGE aspect of big bet poker. Winning big bet poker tends to play big pots with big hands and tend to keep the pot smaller with weaker hands. Raising pre-flop (and effective sizing of those raises) is a the best mechanism to do this. Consider that the pot grows GEOMETRICALLY with each bet that goes into the pot. So missing an early raise makes it hard to play catch up later in the hand. It also makes it more difficult to represent ranges that contain our strongest hands in order to put a lot of pressure on another player.
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eragotte
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This will just end up with more of your money in the pot when you're opponents are strong (they raise) and less when you're strong...
It's like people who slowplay kq on a k105 two tone flop to get an extra 2 bbs... You'll lose...
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