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GahGah604
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08-18-2008, 07:47 AM
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delete please, no information is needed 
thanks guys !
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daven
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you play bad - but no need to give up. Learn from it.
ok. some reads please - it is live after all. You#re only playing one table.
how did he get his #uber-stack#?
you#re betting $20 into $50ish on the flop - why?
55, 77 and JJ are all likely to be in his range - you are likely not good enough for these hands to be in your range and he likely knows it.
You#re pushing a flush draw on a paired board, villain is looking like a hand that has you drawing dead.
what is your bet trying to achieve? you#re not folding any better hands.
also, why are you playing 75bb deep? there#s nothing wrong with doing so, as long as you understand the required differences in strategy and play vs being 100bb deep
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GahGah604
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Straight
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Originally Posted by daven
you play bad - but no need to give up. Learn from it.
ok. some reads please - it is live after all. You#re only playing one table.
how did he get his #uber-stack#?
you#re betting $20 into $50ish on the flop - why?
55, 77 and JJ are all likely to be in his range - you are likely not good enough for these hands to be in your range and he likely knows it.
You#re pushing a flush draw on a paired board, villain is looking like a hand that has you drawing dead.
what is your bet trying to achieve? you#re not folding any better hands.
also, why are you playing 75bb deep? there#s nothing wrong with doing so, as long as you understand the required differences in strategy and play vs being 100bb deep
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I did not know how he got his uber stack, I just arrived at the table,this was my 4th hand in.
how should I have bet into that pot if not $20 on the flop ?
How could I put him on JJ when he didn't raise preflop, and only called my raise of $15 only after he limped ?
small pocket pairs hmmmm maybe, I read that this guy would have raised pre-flop if he had any small pocket pairs.
playing 75BB deep you just gotta know when to push your chips in... not really that much difference in play as 100BB deep.
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pokerfan
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you made a few mistakes in this hand.
1, 75BB buy-in is a joke in these soft 1/2 NL live games.
2, 6 limpers, you only raised up to funny $15 preflop???? at least $25 to go.
3, i dont even bother to c-BET on the flop vs two loose opponents in live games.
4, why did you push on the turn vs a monster stack????
i suggest you to play a little bit passive when you miss your hand and push your edge to the maximum when you hit it in live games.
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bigspenda73
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Why didn't you buy-in for more after you busted $150?
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your fault for not raising enough preflop
raise 4xBB + 1BB per limper
that comes to 10BB - 20 dollars
and then again your fault for going all in drawing dead
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GahGah604
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Originally Posted by iopq
your fault for not raising enough preflop
raise 4xBB + 1BB per limper
that comes to 10BB - 20 dollars
and then again your fault for going all in drawing dead
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I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand. How would I put uber stack on anything better then that ? Would you be able to read that he called your $15 raise with 7/5 offsuit ?
I know I may have played the hand not by the book, but I was following a hunch I had. He got lucky plain and simple... I got my money in good pretty think. I just can't see how anyone would have put him on a full house ?
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thizzSantaCruz
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Raise more pf, cbet bigger, shove turn. reload when busted and get it back eventually.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Stacks
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
He got lucky plain and simple... I got my money in good pretty think.
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[ ] Money in good.
The fact of the matter is simple. You didn't play the hand all that well and that has been pointed out. Anyways, you probably would have went broke had you got to the river anyways. It happens. Reload and take it back. Leave and cool down. Whatever you do, whining here probably isn't your best bet. Good luck though  .
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pokerfan
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as i said above, passive play is definitely not a bad thing vs a few loose aggressive opponents in live games when you miss your hand. Actually, I rarely pushed casino donks around whenever i didnt hit cards very well. However, i often took them to value town much more fiercely than anyone else in my local casino. Meh, $15 preflop raise vs 6 limpers means nothing in 1/2 NL live games these days.
As played, you 've got to stack off on the river for sure.
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badgers
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
9/10 I would have won that hand.
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
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3k post - Return of the blog!
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Numbr2intheWorld
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yo, preflop is fine, same as flop. Turn is kinda bad. You have to look at hands and make conjectures about what the best play is by discussing with other people.
he had 75... ok thats one hand in his range. what other hands do you think are in his range?
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
I did not know how he got his uber stack, I just arrived at the table,this was my 4th hand in.
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small pocket pairs hmmmm maybe, I read that this guy would have raised pre-flop if he had any small pocket pairs.
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You read that from his face? His soul? That's one helluva read to have 4 hands in given that limp/calling pocket pairs is like the most common thing that anyone does with them live.
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BigBadBull
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GahGah604, you posted this for: a) just to whine, or b) to get advice.
If it's a)- while it's not a bad beat, there is a special section for bad beats.
If it's b)- here are the problems in your thinking:
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand.
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yea but you didnt think that by shoving you fold out all hands that you beat, and have MAYBE 9outs(8 really) to improve, IF you arent worried about a set or trips which you should be. So while you think that 9/10 you are winning, keep in mind that you're only going to hit that hand something like 1.6/10.
Also notice you said "after i went all in", which is pretty much same as saying "I sucked out". So if you admit youve sucked out, why be so happy about getting your money in bad?
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He got lucky plain and simple
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first- no he didnt.
second- this is the kind of thinking that will prevent you from learning how to play this game. The sooner you lose it, the sooner you will start learning.
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GahGah604
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Originally Posted by BigBadBull
GahGah604, you posted this for: a) just to whine, or b) to get advice.
If it's a)- while it's not a bad beat, there is a special section for bad beats.
If it's b)- here are the problems in your thinking:
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand.
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yea but you didnt think that by shoving you fold out all hands that you beat, and have MAYBE 9outs(8 really) to improve, IF you arent worried about a set or trips which you should be. So while you think that 9/10 you are winning, keep in mind that you're only going to hit that hand something like 1.6/10.
Also notice you said "after i went all in", which is pretty much same as saying "I sucked out". So if you admit youve sucked out, why be so happy about getting your money in bad?
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He got lucky plain and simple
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first- no he didnt.
second- this is the kind of thinking that will prevent you from learning how to play this game. The sooner you lose it, the sooner you will start learning. |
I just meant he got lucky going in against A/K suited with his 7/5 offsuit preflop, I was a 65% favourite. Second he got lucky making his full house from that hand and winning over my nut flush. I know what your saying though.
How do you think I should have played that hand ?
A/K suited vs 7/5 offsuit ?
I buy in for my usual $150 at my local casino $1/$2 NL
My fourth hand I pick up Ad/Kd on the button.. I raise $15 dollars (6 limpers)
Uber stack (about $1800) calls, and one other guy calls.
flop 7s 5d jh first guy checks, uber stack checks, I raise $20
First guy folds, Uber stack calls (uber check blind)
Turn brings 7d... I push all in (about $120 in my stack) with my nut flush draw. I am trying to put him on a hand that he would call my pre-flop raise with, I can't... I figure he has a jack at best.
Uber stack calls my all in bet and the river brings the Jd ! (I make my nut flush, he turns over his 7/5 full house (sevens full of jacks)
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Irisheyes
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5 out of 5 from me anyway.
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Galapogos
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5 out of 5 from me anyway.
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lol
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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JKDS
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Why didn't you buy-in for more after you busted $150?
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this
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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ChezJ
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Originally Posted by BigBadBull
GahGah604, you posted this for: a) just to whine, or b) to get advice.
If it's a)- while it's not a bad beat, there is a special section for bad beats.
If it's b)- here are the problems in your thinking:
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
I wasn't drawing dead... I hit my nut flush on the river after I went all in ! 9/10 I would have won that hand.
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yea but you didnt think that by shoving you fold out all hands that you beat, and have MAYBE 9outs(8 really) to improve, IF you arent worried about a set or trips which you should be. So while you think that 9/10 you are winning, keep in mind that you're only going to hit that hand something like 1.6/10.
Also notice you said "after i went all in", which is pretty much same as saying "I sucked out". So if you admit youve sucked out, why be so happy about getting your money in bad?
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He got lucky plain and simple
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first- no he didnt.
second- this is the kind of thinking that will prevent you from learning how to play this game. The sooner you lose it, the sooner you will start learning. |
best post i've read in a long time.
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sethmundy
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Well I am going to say this only because i have learned that with 6 limpers with AK you will still get 2/3 callers with a raise. you don't really want to see a raised pot with 4 people with AK imo. I would have probably limped also to see a flop and played it from there.
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Originally Posted by sethmundy
Well I am going to say this only because i have learned that with 6 limpers with AK you will still get 2/3 callers with a raise. you don't really want to see a raised pot with 4 people with AK imo. I would have probably limped also to see a flop and played it from there.
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F-, see me after class
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caddie444
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Originally Posted by sethmundy
Well I am going to say t1his only because i have learned that with 6 limpers with AK you will still get 2/3 callers with a raise. you don't really want to see a raised pot with 4 people with AK imo. I would have probably limped also to see a flop and played it from there.
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It is fundamental poker to raise this pre-flop, and raise it aggressively. Chances are very good you have the best hand right now... Though you will likely get a few callers, you have the strongest pre-flop drawing hand there is. In other words, get some monies in tha pot!
Limping = 
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by sethmundy
Well I am going to say this only because i have learned that with 6 limpers with AK you will still get 2/3 callers with a raise. you don't really want to see a raised pot with 4 people with AK imo. I would have probably limped also to see a flop and played it from there.
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never see a flop with AK in a limped pot.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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but we don't want you to quit!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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GahGah604
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Straight
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why because you think I am a fish ? I really am not... I may have played that hand bad but I think most of you would have lost your stack as well.
how can you possibly put anyone on 7/5 offsuit when you raise $15 pre-flop and he calls you.
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
why because you think I am a fish ? I really am not... I may have played that hand bad but I think most of you would have lost your stack as well.
how can you possibly put anyone on 7/5 offsuit when you raise $15 pre-flop and he calls you.
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I can because he's a fish and you don't try to semi-bluff fish.
Now if the flush hit and you lost your stack then I'd have some sympathy.
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GahGah604
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Straight
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I hit my flush on the river, read my post again... he beat me with a boat !
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BigPapi
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first - I raise preflop here to 20 myself
second - you got the money in when you had nothing on a paired board. You we're behind as soon as the flop fell. And like even when you hit your flush you might still lose and you have no fold equity after his flop call. Do you think this guy got his stack by moving allin with nothing every hand? you are behind against anything but a bluff.
If the turn was your heart and you'd have a flush and he sucked out with another 7 on the river... different story.
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caddie444
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
I hit my flush on the river, read my post again... he beat me with a boat !
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The river is immaterial because you were drawing dead!
When you put you're entire stack in on a draw, you had ZERO equity versus his particular hand. You are not good "9/10" in that spot, you are good precisely "0/10"
Sure it's hard to put a guy on 7-5 offsuit, and his preflop call with that hand may have been a small mistake. But you made an infinitely larger mistake on the turn according the fundamental theorem of poker.
Therefore he played his hand better than you this time, no big deal, just learn from it.
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oskar
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The fact is you played this hand pretty bad, you were playing short when you shouldn't have, and you are very likely underrolled for this game.
5 of those shouldn't make you want to quit poker forever.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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frankiebj
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you kinda donkeyed in this one homie.
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GahGah604
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Straight
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so basically, I should have checked the turn and see what he would have done ? if he bets big then I fold because he probably has me beat and I shouldn't gamble with my nut flush draw ?
The thing that I am saying is that It would have been impossible to put him on a boat, I thought maybe he had 2 pair or trips. I just decided to gamble because I thought that if I would hit my flush I would beat any of those hands anyway.
I also thought he was just trying to bully me with his uber stack as well !
I guess I did learn from this..but I don't know !
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oskar
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I think it all has been said already. Why the donk bet on the flop? you're betting under 1/2 of the pot... Is that what you would bet if you had AJ, QQ, KK or AA?
I think it has been established that they are calling stations... don't ever bluff calling stations. I would just check the flop.
Why go all-in on the turn, you can just check behind and see a free river! You said: "what if he bets..." if you're on the button how can he still bet, he has checked to you has he not? If he did bet I would try to get slightly better than pot odds to make the call, since you've got a lot of reverse implied odds going on on a paired board against people who call loosely preflop, and you can't know if it's good if you hit an A or K or flush on the river.
Also: Bankroll Management
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