live donking

Went to River Rock and played so badly last night. Working early during the week has been pretty bad for recreational live poker because I start getting really sleepy when the games start getting good. I figure I played 2 hours longer than I should have last night, and I'm pretty sure I spewed away ~$200 because of it.

There's a regular at River Rock who plays 1/2 NL and is a huge whale with a bad temper. He seems to have unlimited rebuy money and he's willing to change tables if people start berating him. Anyway, in my sleepy state I just couldn't figure out how to play with him at the table last night. It wasn't that I couldn't play against him, it was that I didn't know what to do about everyone else who was trying to get in pots with him too.

The whale's VPIP was 100% (he calls raises with 72o) and his PFR must've been 75%. I've played only a limited # of pots with him in the past but I know that he likes to bluff and win pots with aggression. He will frequently show bluffs and he will call bets with almost any pair. He will also bet the same way when he has the nuts.

Should I be waiting for excellent hands and then isolate him PF, or should I be trying to play as many pots with him as possible?

My problem with trying to play pots with him was obviously everyone else was doing the same. So he'd raise to $25 and he'd get 5 calls. Playing this way, I guess I just have to hit huge?

I made the mistake of trying to get in pots with him and going all the way with top pair. TP is the nuts when you're HU vs him but with 4 people in the pot not so much. I called his raise to $25 PF with JTo in the CO and there were 4 of us to the flop. The whale bet $60 on a T7x flop with two hearts and got 1 fold, and then it was me to act with someone behind me on the button. I pushed (I had $175 behind) which I feel was the correct play given that I was in the hand, but should I have been in the hand in the first place?



Since I last posted, I've only gone to play poker 5 times. I'm -$436 over ~13 hours playing 1/2 and +$334 in donkaments since then.

Totals: +$193 cash, -$251 donkaments.

I call with KQ and KJ vs this whale and insta muck JTo in this hand.You should isolate and play more HU hands with him in position.Otherwise, I'd still refuse to loosen up and wait for quality hands.Wow,There must be some sick poker action in vancouer.Maybe I should move there next year??

The games tightened up a bit for a few months at the start of the year (from what I could see with my limited sample size) but it seems like they're picking up again! Seems like it started getting better after they left the room open for 24 hours again.

if he gets 5 callers to a 25$ raise, the other people are obviously calling him extremely light. Do most of the players still raise their premiums? if so, you can shove an extremely wide range here. if not, you can still shove an extremely wide range here, just a little bit less wide than in the other scenario

Thanks for your reply, Woutman984. Welcome to FTR!

BC Poker Championships are coming in November.

Nov 15: $100+$20 $100 re-buys $100 add-on
Nov 16 to Nov 17: $1000+$100 (final table scheduled for 9 pm on Nov 17)
Nov 18: $100+$20 $100 re-buys $100 add-on
Nov 19 to Nov 22: ME, $2500+$200 (final table Nov 22)

Every Sunday they're running $110+$10 satellites to the $1100 event. I've decided to play every Sunday satellite because they're sure to be very soft and great for the BR. Today the tournament got 44 participants and after a couple final table scares, I won a seat. We'll see how many seats I can win at the end of it all (I'll have 9 more chances I think) and then I can decide whether or not I'll actually play the event.

Other than that, I've played 2 hours of cash since I last posted and made a huge $27

Totals: +$220 cash, +$849 donkaments.

I dont like playing in the local poker rooms. Its a donkfest. They start with a modest 50 buyin then rebuys for the 1st hour at 25. A lot of these idiots plop down a couple hundred in an hour. I'll give you an example. I'm sitting on the button with KK. BB 200 SB 100. 9 man table and everybody calls around to me. I raise on the button to 1000. about 1/5 of my stack. I figured I'd chase away the chasers and the fish.....Wrong. The guy to my left in the SB calls. everybody else folds. The flop comes out K68. I check. He bets 200. I figured he hit trip 6's or 8's. I raise to 1200, he calls. J pops on the turn. I bet 2000. He calls. now I'm thinking WTF. river comes 4 clubs. I got him covered so I push all in. He calls. He turns over 57 off suit. STR8...

I asked how do you call a 1000 raise with 5/7 off suit. He said he just likes to play and figured he could rebuy. I was Pissed. It took about an hour and a half to rebuild my stack.

I realized the mentality of the donk room and used it to my advantage. I busted the idiot after they cut off the rebuys. I finished 3rd in the tourney and won 2400. After that everytime I play there I play tight until after the rebuy period. then I clean up. Great place to put cash in your pocket.

Originally Posted by Celticsman

I dont like playing in the local poker rooms. Its a donkfest. They start with a modest 50 buyin then rebuys for the 1st hour at 25. A lot of these idiots plop down a couple hundred in an hour. I'll give you an example. I'm sitting on the button with KK. BB 200 SB 100. 9 man table and everybody calls around to me. I raise on the button to 1000. about 1/5 of my stack. I figured I'd chase away the chasers and the fish.....Wrong. The guy to my left in the SB calls. everybody else folds. The flop comes out K68. I check. He bets 200. I figured he hit trip 6's or 8's. I raise to 1200, he calls. J pops on the turn. I bet 2000. He calls. now I'm thinking WTF. river comes 4 clubs. I got him covered so I push all in. He calls. He turns over 57 off suit. STR8...

I asked how do you call a 1000 raise with 5/7 off suit. He said he just likes to play and figured he could rebuy. I was Pissed. It took about an hour and a half to rebuild my stack.

I realized the mentality of the donk room and used it to my advantage. I busted the idiot after they cut off the rebuys. I finished 3rd in the tourney and won 2400. After that everytime I play there I play tight until after the rebuy period. then I clean up. Great place to put cash in your pocket.

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Originally Posted by Celticsman

I dont like playing in the local poker rooms. Its a donkfest. They start with a modest 50 buyin then rebuys for the 1st hour at 25. A lot of these idiots plop down a couple hundred in an hour. I'll give you an example. I'm sitting on the button with KK. BB 200 SB 100. 9 man table and everybody calls around to me. I raise on the button to 1000. about 1/5 of my stack. I figured I'd chase away the chasers and the fish.....Wrong. The guy to my left in the SB calls. everybody else folds. The flop comes out K68. I check. He bets 200. I figured he hit trip 6's or 8's. I raise to 1200, he calls. J pops on the turn. I bet 2000. He calls. now I'm thinking WTF. river comes 4 clubs. I got him covered so I push all in. He calls. He turns over 57 off suit. STR8...

I asked how do you call a 1000 raise with 5/7 off suit. He said he just likes to play and figured he could rebuy. I was Pissed. It took about an hour and a half to rebuild my stack.

I realized the mentality of the donk room and used it to my advantage. I busted the idiot after they cut off the rebuys. I finished 3rd in the tourney and won 2400. After that everytime I play there I play tight until after the rebuy period. then I clean up. Great place to put cash in your pocket.

cool story bro

I dont like playing in the local poker rooms.

Great place to put cash in your pocket.

GO CELTICS

Went to River Rock, busted the satellite, went home. I'm 1 for 2 now.

Totals: +$220 cash, +$729 donkaments.

Busted another satellite today, this time in the first half hour I called two pushes with 20bb with AK and couldn't suck out vs QQ. At first I wasn't sure if I should call after they shoved. The first guy had 15bbs and I put him on a fairly wide range, but the second guy who shoved had over 30bbs and I had to think before calling him. I've been playing with ranges on pokerstove, though, and the call seems fine.

Played 1/2 for 4.5 hours and profited $703. I hit some nice hands today and got paid off nicely.

Totals: +$923 cash, +$609 donkaments.

I just realized I made this thread 1 year ago. I've played only 75-80 hours of 1/2 cash over the last year, which is around 2000 hands. That's a pretty lol small sample size. This past year was definitely fail when it came to playing a lot of live cash

It's so crazy how few hands you'll play live when compared with online poker. How long would it take someone to play 2000 hands playing online? A few hours while multitabling?

I like live poker about a million times better than online. I really like the chips, the people, the reads, the tells, the dealers, the lack of multitabling, the lack of programs, the lack of software. I love that I can sit there and be a female and automatically have this ridiculously super tight image for no reason. I love that people freak out when you raise in LP and threaten to push the "next time" but then never do.

I'm going to quit my job in January because I've saved money for long enough and I want to go somewhere to do something cool. I'm thinking about driving cross country and moving out east because I've never been there before and it seems like I should travel while I don't have a career and I don't have a family to take care of. I wish I could say that I think I'm finally going to study poker and actually care about winning at it. I've been playing recreationally for over 4 years and I've made money at it, but I've never really gotten serious and actually tried to study it. I've never done anything to get better at it. I don't know why. I've even tried to play 6 max cash instead of working part time and all I did during those months was spend my savings and not bother with poker.

I don't understand why I don't try to get better. In everything I've ever done and taken seriously, I've always been the best I could be. I'm very competitive and if I care about what I'm doing, I hate not being at or near the top. This has been in everything my entire life, including school and work. Why isn't it this way with me and poker? The only thing I've ever done since learning how to play is join this forum. I don't read books, I don't watch videos, I don't play hands, I don't talk to people about it. Hell, I've owned all the HOH books since the beginning of time and I haven't even read them yet. I've owned Theory of Poker for over a year and I think I've only bothered to read a couple chapters. I'm such a disappointment.

Oops @ the vent. It just came to mind when I thought about how few hands I've played since starting this thread. And I want to think that I'll finally play more and try to get better once I quit my job and have the time. I don't know if I actually will this time though?

There's nothing wrong with just playing for fun, of course. My lack of work when it comes to poker is just something that bothers me for some reason.

Played cash for 2 hours on Thursday and lost $2. Went to play the satellite today and somehow it sold out at 66 seats, so I missed out. I guess that as it gets closer to the event, I'm gonna have to start getting there early to grab a seat. I played cash instead and lost $301 (3.5 hours).

I've been trying to raise more in LP in limped pots and it often works out fine if I'm able to figure out a raise that will usually get me HU. I'm finding it more difficult to play 3-way pots after I've raised in LP, though. I definitely lost more than I made overall c-betting after my raises today. I double barreled a 6622 board once, too, which didn't work out very well :P

I think I need to play nittier than I have been lately, especially when I'm at tables that don't like to fold to raises.


Totals: +$622 cash (~82 hours), +$609 donkaments.

I don't cbet and DB air very often in loose low stake live games especially when it's a multiway pot alreay. ppl in 1/2NL live are mostly unaware of your hand range and only play their own cards(zero level thinking).In some juicy spots, I probably iso/raise/sweeten with Suited broadways from CO or BT and use my position to my advantage to pwn one or two OOP villians. Also, I think that 5-7 hours each session might be optimal considering that you only see about 30 hands per hour.

I've usually been pretty nitty with c bets in pots with 3 or more people. I decided to try some 3-way c bets after seeing people instafold to previous similar bets, but I dunno if the risk was worth the potential reward! I agree that some longer sessions would definitely be better... I'm gonna have to wait til I quit my job before I can start doing that on a regular basis.

How often do you take breaks when you're playing a 5-8 hour session?

Originally Posted by courtiebee

I've usually been pretty nitty with c bets in pots with 3 or more people. I decided to try some 3-way c bets after seeing people instafold to previous similar bets, but I dunno if the risk was worth the potential reward! I agree that some longer sessions would definitely be better... I'm gonna have to wait til I quit my job before I can start doing that on a regular basis.

How often do you take breaks when you're playing a 5-8 hour session?

i often popped into my local room late in the evening and rarely took breaks each 4-7 hour session. Most of my huge winnings are made in the last two hours( our room closes at 4am in the morning) when a few blackjack gamblers or drunks come in and gamble with tiny equity :P BTW, if you're a consistent player you'll be well rewarded in these live donky games.

200bb effective stacks. I raised to $15 with AQo in MP after two limps and the BB and both limps called. The flop came AK7 rainbow and the BB bet OOP $25. The other players folded. What's my best play here?

The BB had only been around for maybe 10 hands or so. He wasn't overly tight preflop so far but I haven't seen him do much post flop yet.

Do players do this with Ax? I can't think of anything else that he could have that I would beat on this flop.



What's a good stop loss for these silly 1/2 NL games? I usually bring 3 buyins but when I got to -$500 today, I didn't feel like getting any money from the ATM so I just went home :P



2.5 hours -$500. Totals: +$122 cash (~84 hours), +$609 donkaments.

Originally Posted by courtiebee

200bb effective stacks. I raised to $15 with AQo in MP after two limps and the BB and both limps called. The flop came AK7 rainbow and the BB bet OOP $25. The other players folded. What's my best play here?

The BB had only been around for maybe 10 hands or so. He wasn't overly tight preflop so far but I haven't seen him do much post flop yet.

Do players do this with Ax? I can't think of anything else that he could have that I would beat on this flop.



What's a good stop loss for these silly 1/2 NL games? I usually bring 3 buyins but when I got to -$500 today, I didn't feel like getting any money from the ATM so I just went home :P



2.5 hours -$500. Totals: +$122 cash (~84 hours), +$609 donkaments.

i usually call down vs standard live players depending on their bet sizing and their tendencies. Tight BB has a few worse ace in his donk lead range but i probably give up if he bets BIG on the turn.Usually, I set my normal stop loss limit at 3 buyins. Sometimes i just quit early when i run like dogshit and feel like cards dead.
Last night i sat down at 1/2 NL table about 11pm and folded 90% of unplayable junk hands in the first two hours. Finally, i got dealt AK UTG and limped in with the intention of limp/reraising. One guy behind raised to $25, another guy with big stack called and i shoved all-in 90BB. Big stack donk called with A4s and hit 4 on the flop Yeah, i only dropped one buy-in but left casino immediately after that hand. I know i will come back and PWN these retarded ppl soon. :P

Originally Posted by pokerfan

I know i will come back and PWN these retarded ppl soon. :P

yesss this is what I keep telling myself

Originally Posted by courtiebee

I've usually been pretty nitty with c bets in pots with 3 or more people. I decided to try some 3-way c bets after seeing people instafold to previous similar bets, but I dunno if the risk was worth the potential reward!

3-handed, just fire away. You get so many loose calls and they miss their crap so often that you're good. 4 and 5 way pots, sure throw some bluffs in (particulary on dry boards and flops you can represent.) Don't just blast away when the flop comes T87 two suited.

Sounds good, thanks for the encouragement there. And it's nice to see you, I've missed your posts in this forum!

I can't stress enough the importance of table selection in live games.On Friday night I barely made even in the first hour, then I spotted two huge donators and switched to that table. Oh,yeah I was up $800 without bluffing by the end of the night.In a good loose passive game, you should always bet/bet/raise for value. Also,don't miss your river thin value bet vs these unaware players.

How do you scout other tables? Do you just get up, wander around, and watch for a while? When I know my table is bad and I need a table change, I never know how to figure out which table to go to. And I suppose you'd need to watch a table for at least a few hands to actually know it's a good one?

I'm such a noob.

Originally Posted by courtiebee

How do you scout other tables? Do you just get up, wander around, and watch for a while? When I know my table is bad and I need a table change, I never know how to figure out which table to go to. And I suppose you'd need to watch a table for at least a few hands to actually know it's a good one?

I'm such a noob.

i do know a few fish, whales and donks in my poker room cuz i play a hell of a lot of poker with these guys Usually, i'd love to sit at a table with lots of old passive guys :P (fish hunting No. 1 golden rule). Also, i watch out for some guys with a big stack at other tables.

Played satellite, busted in the first hour, went home. These things are getting good a turnout now - 10 seats awarded today.

I've decided that I'm not allowed to play anymore live 1/2 until I finish reading TOP :P

Totals: +$122 cash (~84 hours), +$489 donkaments.

I haven't been playing any live poker at all, but when I did play a couple times at the end of last year, I didn't post. I figure that I should do it now while I still remember what I donked off...

October 22: -$157 cash, 1.5 hours

October 25: -$120 satellite

November 1: +$980 satellite (won seat)

November 11: -$550 BCPC tournament
also -$65 cash, 2.5 hours

November 19: -$115 ... cash? I don't know to be honest... guess I should have done this last year, lol

January 6: -$100 donkament

So yeah back when I was playing satellites I only managed to play 6 total, but I one two seats I ended selling both $1100 seats for $1050 each and then playing the $550 event instead. BR nit FTW :P

River Rock decided to take their once 25 table poker room and turn it into another place for high stake table games. The poker room is now across from the casino in an entirely separate room and it now has only 14 tables I'm really upset about this and have only been back to play once since they did it. I know poker doesn't really make the casino any money and that I shouldn't be surprised, but I'm really disappointed.

In other news, the Olympics are coming and hopefully the downtown casino is hopping with the extra people in the city. I definitely plan on checking Edgewater's poker room out in February (although they were stupid and moved their room across the "street" and out of the casino too...sigh).


Totals: -$150 cash (~88 hours), +$699 donkaments

Right now I'm on my iPhone in the cascades casino parking lot with the windows down in the sun, waiting for 4:00 to come so that I can go have dinner. Every year there's a ladies event to raise money for breast cancer and this is the first time I'm playing in it. Lower turnout than usual since they didn't announce it til after the olympics, but it's not bad. Today is the $270+$30 shootout event with bounties and tomorrow is the $450+$50 event. I'm sitting in my car waiting around because the second table of the shootout isn't until 5...two hr break between tables ftl.

I played the first table like a satellite cuz 3/10 of us were going to advance to the next round. You should all be jealous you're not female because good lord these events are soft. This is only the third time I've played with women only but they're all the same. I chipped up to the table chip lead without a showdown with mostly all in steals because they were all so scared of busting, especially with 3 of us advancing. I mostly love it but on the other hand it's super annoying because women also talk sooooo much so the hands are sooooo slow...

Anyway it's finally almost dinner time, yay. I gotta win this next table so gl me...if I make it hu, that should be interesting cuz I haven't played hu in forever!

I live down the road from Cascades, but haven't played there in a long time. How's the upgraded poker room? I think they upgraded it last year...

Just got home from playing the FO. There were 161 players and we were to play down to 20 people (min cash starts at 20 for $740). The final two tables play tomorrow afternoon. It took us >10 hours to get down to 20 and the last 30 min were excruciatingly slow. We were hand for hand with 22 people forever because women are nits and no one wanted to bust out of the money. The blinds were ridiculously high as well and I think I had the second chip lead at the table at one point with 11bb, lol. I was doing my best to abuse the bubble but I didn't get a lot to work with and I was pushing into the bigger stack for most of it. I tried to burst the bubble twice, both times really behind :P The first time I was getting 2.5 to 1 odds to call a shorty with 73o in the bb and she had AA (I'm actually not sure about my call...73o...money bubble...a decent precentage of my stack...I mean obviously I'm getting good odds versus her range but is it good considering it's on the bubble and it's gonna hurt me if I lose? I guess I gotta do the math to know...). The next time I shoved A3o on the CO and got called by a nit with 88.

Women are hilarious. The nit that called my push with 88 open folded AK bvb because she was scared of the bb's bigger stack. When she called my push with 88, she was in the bb with 52k chips at blinds 8k/16k and she took about a full minute to make the call. I was actually shocked she called :P

Right after I lost the hand with A3, the bubble burst and play stopped. I was pretty disappointed by that because the 52k chips that I lost was half my stack at that point and now I'm pretty screwed for tomorrow. There are a total of 3 women that blinded down to <2bb, though, so I'm not even the short stack... yeesh.

Oh yeah and I bustoed the shootout event after playing the second table for 3.5 hours and losing a flip to go out in 6th.

Originally Posted by JL

I live down the road from Cascades, but haven't played there in a long time. How's the upgraded poker room? I think they upgraded it last year...

What did they change during the upgrade? I've never played cash there but it's still just 8 tables...seemed a bit busy tonight but nothing crazy. Why don't you play there? You're not big on live poker?

Busto in 12th place after only 1.5 hours of play. The blinds were rolled back at the start of play, giving me an awesome 10bb stack to work with. I won A3s vs KQ against a super short stack and push/folded my way to 30bb at my high point. Then I went AA < 88, 77 > QJ (I one outered her after she hit a J on the flop), QQ < AJ, and TT < AJ to bust me. I cashed for $1630.

FML

Originally Posted by courtiebee

What did they change during the upgrade? I've never played cash there but it's still just 8 tables...seemed a bit busy tonight but nothing crazy. Why don't you play there? You're not big on live poker?

I really don't know what they changed..haven't gone to check it out.

And yeah I am just not big on live poker at all, that's why I never go there.

There is talk of Bay 101 starting real NLHE games. *licks lips*

what do they have instead of "real" NLHE?

Originally Posted by courtiebee

what do they have instead of &quot;real&quot; NLHE?

$200 bet cap.

nice job courtie

Aww thanks, I can't wait til next year!

Originally Posted by courtiebee

You should all be jealous you're not female because good lord these events are soft. This is only the third time I've played with women only but they're all the same. I chipped up to the table chip lead without a showdown with mostly all in steals because they were all so scared of busting, especially with 3 of us advancing. I mostly love it but on the other hand it's super annoying because women also talk sooooo much so the hands are sooooo slow...

We married men must have a real advantage then with the knack of appearing interested but totally switching off from the conversation when a group of women are chatting about anything. A skill only marriage can bring.

hahahah yes, that's an impressive skill indeed... it's too bad for you that there aren't more women at the tables!

In Atlantic City playing a couple donkaments in the Borgata's summer tournament series. Played the first event today which got 508 people for $230 buy-in. It was unexciting for me and I eventually busted QQ < KK with 15bb.

Tomorrow is the 2nd event for $350.

Played 1/2 NLHE for a bunch of hours after I busted and I'm amazed at how much softer the games are than in Vancouver. It's a nice change. I've lost a couple buy-ins so far.

Highlight of the trip is playing 1/2 PLO for the first time in a casino. The hardest thing was figuring out how to look at my hole cards. I tried arranging them in a way so that I could see them all beside each other at the same time which seemed to work best. So time consuming though. The game kinda sucked because it was full of PLO players rather than Holdem players trying to play PLO (big difference). I was a preflop nit most of the time and ended up breaking even there.

GL me tomorrow

Borgata Summer Poker Open: Event #2 - Cards In The Air

I had raised pf during that hand and gotten two calls. On the river when she raised me, I was thinking "wow, wouldn't it be sick if she flopped quads?" hah

I ended up ~break even for cash by the end of the trip. Didn't cash any of the donkaments. I think the BBJ is like $330k by now, which is insane. I wanna go back so badly cuz the games must be so good right now..

I think I'm gonna try to go back to the Borgata next April for their spring series. Or maybe I'll luckbox something and go back in September for the fall series. That poker room is awesome!

Two hands at 1/2 NL:


1) First hand at the table I get dealt JJ in the BB.

Shorty in MP raises to $10 and guy in LP just calls. I raise up to $40. MP shoves for $89 total. LP shoves for ~$160 total.

It doesn't seem like I should be calling unless I can put at least AQs into LP's range, which doesn't seem likely. So then this means I should have just called the original $10 raise?


2) Line check (mostly wondering if it's better to bet flop OOP):

After a few limps, someone in MP raises to $10. I call behind in the BB with AQs and 2 more ppl call behind me for 5-way flop.

Flop is Qxx giving me TP with nut flush draw, so I check/call $25 cbet. Shorty calls (eff stack with bettor ~$230)

Turn is a K. Shorty pushes $50, the other guys folds, and I call.

Originally Posted by courtiebee

Two hands at 1/2 NL:
1) First hand at the table I get dealt JJ in the BB.

Shorty in MP raises to $10 and guy in LP just calls. I raise up to $40. MP shoves for $89 total. LP shoves for ~$160 total.

It doesn't seem like I should be calling unless I can put at least AQs into LP's range, which doesn't seem likely. So then this means I should have just called the original $10 raise?

What did you know about LP and did he seriously consider folding, insta-shove or put on a one act drama? There is a lot of donk psychology here, but some context would help a lot.

BTW: I hate life and probably call this because neither player is convincing me they have QQ+ more often than not and JJ has a bunch of equity here (JJ > AK all-in pre-flop.)

Originally Posted by courtiebee

2) Line check (mostly wondering if it's better to bet flop OOP):

After a few limps, someone in MP raises to $10. I call behind in the BB with AQs and 2 more ppl call behind me for 5-way flop.

Flop is Qxx giving me TP with nut flush draw, so I check/call $25 cbet. Shorty calls (eff stack with bettor ~$230)

Turn is a K. Shorty pushes $50, the other guys folds, and I call.

You pretty much crush this board so I don't mind your play. Pretty terrible turn card, but you're never folding here for $50 more.

68,000,364,432 games 84.746 secs 802,402,053 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.833% 18.11% 00.73% 12312472008 494301504.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 49.422% 48.79% 00.63% 33177332448 430111692.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 31.744% 31.53% 00.21% 21441053880 145092900.00 { JJ }

This is assigning a really tight range to LP. He's going to show you a worse hand than QQ/AK at least 10% of the time here, barring more information you can use to really nail him to the nuttiest of hands.

Sick spot if $200 is a lot of money to you, but I'm pretty sure it's time to GAMB00L.

1. Without good reads I'm totally going with the JJ hand. By default I'd assume the shorty's range is pretty wide and I'd be surprised if a LP caller is ever flatting against a shorty with QQ+. He is going to have AK here a ton as well as some hands you have destroyed. In all the $1/$2 live games I play, a $10 raise is basically a minraise and given basically no respect unless the it's a total nit.

2. OK so maybe the $10 raise means something in your game...anyway, I'd consider 3-betting here quite a bit because you probably have the best hand and have great equity vs. this action.

I like check-raising this flop but flatting is OK too, agree that we're never folding for $50 even with the worst card in the deck hitting.

Originally Posted by baudib

I like check-raising this flop but flatting is OK too, agree that we're never folding for $50 even with the worst card in the deck hitting.

Check/raising here is pretty bad.

If you check what sorts of hands:
Bet/Fold
Bet/Call
Check through

If you bet what sorts of hands:
Fold
Call
Raise

Ok, let me start this by saying that Fnord you're an much better player than myself... but just wondering if you could clarify what you mean here..

Originally Posted by Fnord

Check/raising here is pretty bad.

If you check what sorts of hands:
Bet/Fold
AK, JJ TT
Bet/Call
a bunch of weaker queens, a bunch of weaker flush draws, overpairs (might re raise)
Check through
weaker flush draws, missed hands AJ/AT KJ etc, underpairs like JJ/TT etc, 2nd pair hands, really weak queens

If you bet what sorts of hands:
Fold
underpairs, mised hands,
Call
some underpairs with some players, weaker flush draws, weaker queens, AK for some players
Raise
overpairs, two pairs, sets, maybe KQ, weaker flush draws(with highly aggro players - most likely to just call though multiway)

That's in my opinion... correct me if I'm wrong/add to or remove... but it seems the best way to get max money on the flop against the hands you want in (weaker queens and weaker flush draws) is to check raise - they're calling two raises instead of one. But gutted if it checks through...

Tell me where I'm going wrong Fnord!

Weaker Queens will sometimes fold to your check/raise (in bigger games they will find this fold even more often)

If you flat, one pair hands will jam a lot of turn cards to try to protect their hand.

If you lead the flop, one pair hands will jam the flop to get it in goodish against draws or peel intending to get it in on a blank turn unless they see something that makes them think you beat one pair.

Originally Posted by Fnord

What did you know about LP and did he seriously consider folding, insta-shove or put on a one act drama? There is a lot of donk psychology here, but some context would help a lot.

It was my first hand at the table, so unfortunately I didn't know anything about him. He didn't first pump instashove his chips, but he still seemed comfortable putting the chips in.

I'm assuming that if I think he's hollywooding, he's probably stronger. Or if he looks genuinely uncomfortable, then he's weaker.

Originally Posted by Fnord

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.833% 18.11% 00.73% 12312472008 494301504.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 49.422% 48.79% 00.63% 33177332448 430111692.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 31.744% 31.53% 00.21% 21441053880 145092900.00 { JJ }

My problem when thinking about this hand is that I put the EP raiser on a much tighter shove range. I don't really agree with A2o+, but I think I agree with everything else. And in that case it looks like an okay call since I also agree that sometimes LP is shoving wider.

Originally Posted by Rupeni

That's in my opinion... correct me if I'm wrong/add to or remove... but it seems the best way to get max money on the flop against the hands you want in (weaker queens and weaker flush draws) is to check raise - they're calling two raises instead of one. But gutted if it checks through...

Aside from what Fnord said, I also wanted to keep worse flush draws in.

Originally Posted by Fnord

If you lead the flop, one pair hands will jam the flop to get it in goodish against draws or peel intending to get it in on a blank turn unless they see something that makes them think you beat one pair.

Do you like leading better then? I couldn't decide between leading and check/calling.