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Old 03-05-2005, 05:10 PM     Post subject: Close encounters with morons of the third kind... #1 (permalink)  
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I play live amonst a pretty consistent pool of about 25 players (with another 25 or so not-so-regulars). Most tournmanets consist of two tables with anywhere from 6-10on a table. One guy, a constant regular, has been giving me fits lately. If he were anything but the fishiest of fish, i'd be ok with it, but i'd like to hear some opinions on just what the hell is going on here.

The past two evenings have been ultra loose, ultra friends, ultra unorganized $5 buy ins. Said headache is a calling station of the 1st degree. He sees probably 90% of the flops and will not be bluffed out until he has seen all 5 community cards (hey, afterall, seeing all the cards is what poker is about! ). If he still doesn't have a pair or better after the river, he'll let it go to a true show of strength, otherwise he reckons is 9 high may have it.

Any raise, no matter how steep does not scare him off-- without regard to his hand-- he will not be scared him off. He will call. At the same time, if he hits ANYTHING, he isn't raising, still pulling his check or raise crap.
How do you deal with soemone like this who is literally only playing to see the cards? In heads up play, it's truly a matter the luck of the draw. In a full table, it's much harder to deal with as there are several other very competent poker player's to contend with and me playing good poker is profitable. Should this FISH still be in it by showdown (more often than not he is) my pocket Aces may punish is low pair (which he has called HUGE raises with through all three streets) or he may have sucked out with 29o on a 2 4 7 9 Q board.

I know i'm definitely making money off him long-term because of this, but the past to tournaments i've never seen so many 4 on the board flushes and rag full houses in my life. I'm probably just frustrated because of that and already know the answer-- keep playing good poker and he'll continue to pay me off in the long run-- but if anyone has any other insight on dealing with completely non-thinking fish, i'd be much obliged to hear em.

I know that camping on monsters is another way to crack tools, but there are often 6-20 other players involved against whom i'm probably top two, so my good play is what keeps me in the money (generally).

I know i could also chalk this up to bad beats, but jesus, it seems like he's been spoonfeeding them to me for the past two tournies (granted they were all small small stakes and mainly fun games, but still sort of frustrating)

This is mainly a rant, too, so thanks for the space to do so. And any and all help appreciated.

-Shakezoola- a man who was cracked heads-up with pocket AA raised 4X pot preflop, pushed all-in after a 3-6-9 rainbow flop and was ultimately taken down with a two pair 3s and 9s....
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Old 03-05-2005, 06:03 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Don't try to bluff him. Ever. Every bet you make with him in the hand should be for value.

Heads up against him is easy. Bet big when you have good hands. Show down cheap anything else.

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 this could get tricky since there are other people playing, but i'd say continue to raise preflop your good cards. maybe even raise them a little more, 5-6-7x, to make sure you get all folds and its you and him heads up. If you catch any sort of a piece of what you wanted push at him on the flop. Any ace, catch an ace, push. No more decisions, you know you have the best of it right then, nothing more to worry about. it may seem like he always catches stuff but the odds say he won't.
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this could get tricky since there are other people playing, but i'd say continue to raise preflop your good cards. maybe even raise them a little more, 5-6-7x, to make sure you get all folds and its you and him heads up. If you catch any sort of a piece of what you wanted push at him on the flop. Any ace, catch an ace, push. No more decisions, you know you have the best of it right then, nothing more to worry about. it may seem like he always catches stuff but the odds say he won't.
thank you much. That's sort what i was figuring... these odds have to come around towards reality eventually (seriously... what are the odds that in a 10 handed tournamanet the same tard will be holding the Ks when s s c s s come out? and still even in the game after multiple raises through all three streets?)

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Old 03-29-2005, 07:09 PM #6 (permalink)  
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This guy is easy meat. Don't bluff him, and make him pay a ton of money to draw out against your good hands. Hopefully the first time you do this to him he won't actually hit something that beats you.

What it comes down to is very often he's placing chips in the middle when the hand isn't currently favorable to him. Don't worry about him. Just get your chips in when you have the best of it, and everything else will fall into place. If he wants to be loose then let him. That's amore. Watch his stack dissapear.

Here's the key... Guys like this have huge swings. Sometimes they seem invincible, because a majority of their draws are panning out in deep pots.

These are the type of people who drive their cars into the ground by never changing the oil or getting a tune-up. Live fast, have fun in the short run, die inevitably.
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