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| I was at the casino the other day playing some hold 'em, and I started thinking to myself how much I enjoy poker and blah blah blah. Anyway, I started thinking how I don't really care as much for my 9-5 job as much as i love to play poker,but, Im not a good enough player to 'go pro' ; Then I started realizing that the the dealer gets tipped at least a buck per hand.....If an avg. hand of hold 'em takes 3 or four minutes, that would make it roughly 20 hands per hour that you are dealing...so, the dealer would make 20 bucks an hour on tips alone, plus whatever dealers make per hour (Im assuming it's minimum wage)....If I make $25 bucks an hour, a card dealer is making more than me and gets to be around poker all day.........Please help to point out the cons...The only one's I can think of would be health insurance (which can be taken care of thru my wife's plan), and working graveyard shifts..Are there any dealer's out there can give me some insight? | |||
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| Xianti |
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| The experience you gain from watching all those players play their hands for so many hours would be a benefit as well. A work buddy's girlfriend's mother is a poker dealer at the Bicycle Club. I'll see what I can find out. | |||
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| TylerK |
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| I'm interested in this as well, though I'm pretty sure I'd have a hard time doing that full time. | |||
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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| Some dealers love it some hate it. there are a lot of shitty tippers, and sometimes you get horrible tables. You really have to be on top of things, plus you have to take a long course to be certified, which costs a pretty penny as well. BUT most of the dealers i talked to say when they get a good table, with good tippers it makes it all worth it. | |||
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Poker: 80 hours/4 weeks $ 530 that is the cost from one site i read. |
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Dealers must not like players like me. I generate little action and don't give a $4 tip for an average sized 4/8 pot like some of the fish do. |
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Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip. Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip? Mr. Pink: I don't believe in it. Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping? Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit. Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money, she can quit. Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you never ever tip, huh? Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I tip when somebody really deserves a tip. If they put forth an effort, I'll give them something extra. But I mean, this tipping automatically, that's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job. Mr. Blue: Hey, this girl was nice. Mr. Pink: She was okay. But she wasn't anything special. Mr. Blue: What special? Take you in the back and suck your dick? Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that. |
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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| Corey |
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| Actually in Casinos the new dealers make min. wage + tips. Its an undisclosed amount of how much they can make. If they are fast (dealing) at least 450 hands per hour then they should make good money. Most casinos split there tips anyway at the end of the night. | |||
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| haha tyler i appreciated that | |||
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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rofl tyler hehe thought someone would fucken travel channel is kinda interesting |
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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| how in the hell can anyone deal 450 hands an hour. am i missing something. | |||
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| yeah thats like 7 hands a minute | |||
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There is more to poker than life
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Im sure there are diff. circumstances for table games such as holdem stud and omaha |
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| I still have to imagine, much like cards, that the tips even out at the end. The casino I go to (Lake Elsinore),the dealers don't share the tips, they go straight to their pocket's..... | |||
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| Ive been thinking about this as well; my job sucks, I can throw cards and run a table as good or better than most dealers I've had. I could move to Atlantic City (near family), deal ~40 hours a week, play 20-30 hours a week in the various casinos. Lately, I've been thinking about taking a month off from work for a test run, maybe this summer. My only concern is that the poker boom might go bust after a few years if the "fad" wears off. | |||
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| koolmoe |
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| I know a dealer who has told me that the biggest problem with dealing poker is that poker players are @$$holes. Said he makes about $250 a night at the Biloxi Grand. | |||
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| I can put up with a-holes for $250 a night | |||
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| at foxwoods dealers say they have to split tips with all dealers in the poker room, so even if you have a generous table, you dont get everything you are tipped. | |||
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"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist....And like that, POOF! He's gone."
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I've got an interview for dealing later this week, cant be worse than what I'm doing now, and I get to work in a casino. 
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1 more year until i can get into casino's in vancouver... think you could convince the pit boss to let me in early if you get the job? 
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I am a dealer at a small pokerroom located in Baton Rouge La. I've just been reading over this blog and thought I might be able to help if anyone cares to read. First of all I'll talk about the money... $4.25 per hour paid by the casino as an hourly employee. This is irrelevent, I have figured this to pay half the taxes on what I actually make hourly, in tips, so we don't do it for what the casino pays us. Which when you think about it is a joke. I'll make, for the casino, about 75 cents more in the first minute of each hour, than what they pay me for that hour. So the last 59 minutes of each hour is free for them...lol! Now, I consider myself to be a professional dealer averaging anywhere from 30 to 45 hands per hour. However, as a break-in dealer you could expect to crank out a bit less than that until you have gained the experience and confidence in your ability to pitch the cards, read the board (and the players), and to accurately rake the pot. Ironically, the biggest factor in slowing down a game for a new dealer isn't his or her inability, but the players impatience. Know what to look for at showdown, and tune them out. The last thing you want is a player calling hands for you. The money you'll make would be well worth what you spent to become a dealer, IF (emphasis on if) you have the "thick skin" that is required of the job. Which leads me to my next point. I hope this doesn't offend any of you players out there, keep in mind that I'm a player too, and this is just my opinion. But there is an overwhelming majority of poker players that are not there to have fun. They have an addiction that they need to feed. Sometimes I doubt they're even there to win money if it means that they can't complain or whine about something. Who better to take their frustrations out on than the person holding the deck? Win or lose some people are just miserable. When they lose a pot, they take it out on you by muttering insults just loud enough for only you to hear it, or slinging the cards in your general direction (if you're lucky). Then when they win a pot, they take it out on you again by stiffing you (not tipping). And over the years I've realized that this behavior is extremely contagious. It never fails that the people seated on either side of such a player, eventually start this behavior as well. So one bad apple really does spoil the bunch. Now, don't get me wrong and think that it is not worth it. I work 40 hours a week and still find time to play on my off days. If you're still interested, by all means go for it. The money is GREAT! And... well the money is GREAT! Besides, there's always the EO (early out) list. Good luck and hope this helps! |
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Great insight. Welcome to the forums, simplekid. {Moved from Poker Etcetera} |
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Just thought it might help, Xianti! There aren't many people that I work with that claim to like the job. In fact, most of them hate it, yet the money is so good, they stick with it. However, burnout plays a big role in the turnover rate of dealers at any given location. I've been fortunate in the fact that our room is probably the only that does not offer the slow action game of seven card stud, a game in which making any substantial amount of money is impossible. The spread of games make as big a difference as the limit themselves when it comes to making money. The ideal game, in my opinion, for making the best money is a 4-8-12-12 half and half, at home and not in a casino where etiquette and customer service have such big role. |
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Hey All, I live in Las Vegas, and have a couple of friends that deal for a living. I know I made a post a while back on this particular subject, but I'm too lazy to dig it up at the moment. Pros: Good Money Lots of Exposure to Poker Non-standard Hours Task Mastery within a few months Cons: Non-standard Hours Too much exposure to poker (Don't want to play after dealing for 10 hours) Smokey work environment possible Repetative task "Thick Skin" customer service like simplekid spoke of So Yes, it is a fairly easy job that makes good money. That in and of itself makes it a tough thing to get out of. From what I hear, it's fun start, but gets boring in a real hurry. Especially when your cardroom only deals hold 'em. But the money's so good that it's hard to stop. And when you considering going out and getting a real job, the numbers don't match up. You can make $25-40 / hr pitching cards, or $14/hr doing Advertising or Accounting or whatever. The money is just too good, but the job tends to suck. And all this time you've been dealing poker, your "real job" skills get rusty, so further down the spiral ya go... I have considered it, but I wouldn't want it to be my sole source of income that I'd rely on. -Kes |
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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I live near foxwoods and mohegan... I would definately try to get a job dealing poker if mohegan re-openned the poker room. Dealing novelties and table games would drive me nuts, it would have to be poker. As said earlier, foxwoods dealers share toke throughout the casino. A buddy of mine just came in about a month ago (they hired over 100 for the new WPT poker room, which rox btw) and he makes over 20-25/hr most of the time, never less than 20. The high limit stud players don't tip... at all. He told me two of them made a $5 grand bet to see who could make a new dealer cry first. So it's money, but you're dealing to ASSHOLES. Even the 2-5nlhe games have some real fucking pricks. There's funny stories too. A skinny guy loses a huge pot to a really fat guy in a 20-40 LHE game. Skinny guy says, "Why you gotta be so fat?" Fat guy says, "Every time I fucked your mother, she gave me a cookie!" He likes it. I live on poker, but it's a hard way, and I'd take dealing as a part time job if I could still play at the casino. |
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Just how hard do you reckon it to be to land a dealing job? And I read in another article something about dealing classes... what are the prices of this? |
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Dealing poker is not glamorous or even much fun. It is a drag. When my shift is over, I'm ready to get the hell out of there. Having said that, the pay is great. Sometimes the hands are interesting. You do learn alot about poker, especially betting patterns, tells, etc. The tip vs. no tip thing is really not a factor. 95% of people throw you at least a buck for a pot. Those people are great. I love the guys that throw more than a buck, but I appreciate the dollar tippers too. I try to cut the non-tippers slack. Some of them really don't know. Some of them are hard-core non-tippers as a matter of course and there is nothing I can do to change that. A lot of non-tippers end up coming around after a few months, and become steady tippers. The best thing to do is to shuffle up and deal another hand. Showing scorn for non-tippers is not professsional and can create negative feeling from the other 9 players. I think you can learn to deal from a dealing school for a couple of thousand. Money well spent. Some rooms will train you. You can also learn on your own. Buy a manual or watch a professional dealer closely. Deal your home games. Self motivated people will find it extremely easy to land a good dealing job. |
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i Have worked as a poker roomas a dealer and Sup., here in Canada, and i can tell you the pay is not very good. $8.oo- !10.00 per hr plus about $5-8 per hr in tips tips are pooled.where as avg dealer should do 25-35 hands per hour its not happining, i would say its more like 20 per hr. and thats pooled with dead tables and spare dealers. As for helping you game out i dont think it will. most dealers i know love to gamble by gamble im mean take chances. Being a dealer you see almost impossble odds hit and see bad players and play winning everday. You start to think that these impossible odds are hitting other people maybe they will hit me and where as you might see alot of play you will mostly remember the bads hands that win. being just a player u see bad beats and they happen to you once and a wile, but as a dealer you see this 4 times a hr every hour and start to think ill just gamble here and see if i win im seeing 40 bad beats a day so i know they happen lets see if i can lay a bad beat on someone. Dealers Are the worst gamblers! oh ya i forgot i was a dealer lol |
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| ^^Heh, never thought of it that way, but it does make sense in a way. | |||
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who dug this thread up? Pros -$25/hr in tips + min wage is significantly better than I was making as an engineer. Yes, I was still fairly new to the feild. -I have a fairly flexible schedule. Go in to work, leave if the room is dead. -I get to watch all different kinds of players, even some of the truly great players. This has helped alot with my reads, and shown me some interesting moves to pull in my own games. Cons -Physical, repeatitive work which I'm sure will get harder as I get older -8 hours of doing everything by the book and staying focused enough to not make any mistakes is really tiring. Mis-read and muck the winning hand, and the player will be sure to wake you up -Flexible schedule. If you're not disciplined enough to stay at work and put the hours in, you'll go broke. -Players bitch non-stop about ME dealing them trashy starting hands -Players bitch non-stop about ME dealing them KK and the table donkey AA -Players bitch non-stop about ME putting the donkey's 2-outer on the river. -Putting up with the "dealer police" as i like to call them. "Is that really the way you're supposed to shuffle the cards?" "You raked $3, its only supposed to be $1 from that pot" The list of dumbass know-it-all comments, from people who just started playing two days before getting on the plane, goes on and on. -Being forced to spend time around true degenerates. When I wind up with these people in a game that I'm playing, I can cash out or take a break; Im stuck with them when dealing. Honestly, I dont worry to much about the people that stiff. For every stiff, there's a $2 tipper (me when im playing 15/30) and a monster pot that results in numerous $5 chips being thrown at me. It all evens out at the end of the night. I have yet to get a black check tip, but I have had some $50 tips. I dont know of any regular poker room in Vegas where the cash game tips are pooled. The WSOP side games are the only place I've heard of, and that was a huge cluster-fuck for the dealers. Tourneys do have pooled tips, but they normally work out to be close to the average that I make in the cash games. It's a good gig, if you can work at it with a good attitude |
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You are not dealing 450 hands an hour in blackjack. No way, no how. Not even heads-up with the dealer. |
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