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wolfmmix
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05-21-2009, 11:49 AM
Post subject: Card Dead - What to do?
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Ok, so I played at my local club last night. Very loose 1/2 NL game. Even $15 PFR would get no less than 4 callers almost everytime. Normally, I'd love this but not on this night.
Completely card dead, even with position. Pocket 4's twice and pocket aces twice and one other playable hand - QTs. I can't count how many Q3o, K5o, J4o type hands that I saw.
When facing a cold deck, at what point do you decide to at least start seeing some flops cheaply with rag hands, if ever?
In a tight game, I would have tried to run a few bluffs from position but when everyone is willing to call 7-8bb preflop raises, that just won't work.
When its that bad, is it just time to walk away for the night?
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dranger7070
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Don't stop playing the same tight/aggressive game (or loose aggressive, whatever) you usually play. A cold deck is no excuse to not play disciplined.
If its really getting to you just leave and come back another time.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by dranger7070
Don't stop playing the same tight/aggressive game (or loose aggressive, whatever) you usually play. A cold deck is no excuse to not play disciplined.
If its really getting to you just leave and come back another time.
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That's right. Think about the logic of this. Suppose, out of a struck of completely bad luck, you simply were dealt 72o every hand for 4 hours. At what point would it become justified to play 72o? That's right, never. (Well, almost never. If you have created a tight enough table image with all that folding, you could probably steal the blinds every once in awhile. But that's it.) Now yeah, that means you are going to lose money. But you're going to lose more money if you start playing 72o.
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wolfmmix
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Know what? Didn't think of it that way. Very valid points. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind the next time it happens.
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Fnord
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Keep folding. Can't get creative with so many people calling down.
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Jason
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Last week three new guys showed up to my weekly $0.25/$0.50 live game. They were maniacs - routine huge $5 to $20 pre-flop raises and even some all-in's for a buy-in in the dark without even seeing their cards?! Except for a couple of good hands early before the madness started, I was basically card dead all night and my stack fluctuated between $50 and $100. Aside from never getting a hand, I once picked up 88 and had to fold it pre-flop and an 8 spiked on the flop. Later I picked up AQs and called a pre-flop all-in from villain who had A3o and I lost when a 3 hit on the turn. What ended up being my last hand for the night was moving all-in with AJs and one of the maniacs picked up KK :/ and of course none of my suits or an ace come out to save me and just to add salt to the wound, one of the two kings left in the deck did hit. After hours of patiently waiting and playing, all I had to show for my effort was a lost buy-in.
The moral of the story is that it really sucks to be card dead or unlucky - especially in a live game, but by the same token, I could have EASILY walked out of there with $300 plus with just a mere handful of good cards. We can only be patient and play optimally. In poker, we cannot always or sometimes never push the action and force our will. Instead, we may have to just wait for our spot and just hope that what is supposed to happen more than 50% of the time does happen that time.
It's also worth noting that there will be a LOT more variance in really loose, maniac games like this. They WILL be widely profitable in the long run, but if you're routinely getting entire buy-ins in pre-flop, it wouldn't be extraordinary to lose anywhere from 2 to 5 of those in a row before things get going for you. So, you have to have the bankroll and patience to withstand it.
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pokerfan
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i quit if i lose about 3 buy-ins or got dealt cold cards for ages. Sometimes, you should be fully aware that you cant win every night as you will play again tomorrow, and the next day, and every day after that.
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adam.poker
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Join Date: May 2009
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keep playing......
folding ends the game
you will stick to it
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LawDude
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I've been card dead the last 2 days. Actually, the worst kind of card dead, which is that I have had my share of decent starting hands but I have basically missed almost every flop. And there hasn't been any fold equity either. This means I've spent a lot of money betting AK and AQ on blank boards where some idiot called me and paired his 5's or something. And that costs plenty of money. I'd actually rather just be dealt 72 every hand.
I've treaded water to some extent with blind steals, but other than that, there's nothing you can do. Just wait it out.
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Fnord
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Switch to NLHE where you can do a lot without any cards.
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indovinajo
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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My Englishman is very bad(wrong) because I am Uruguayan I hope that you could understand me. I newly am learning Englishman. Also it(he,she) depends against that types of opponents. If your opponents were passive deberias to rise with Ace and another letter mas and with figures. For my debistes to play aggressively
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b1eedb1ack
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06-30-2009, 05:38 AM
Post subject: Re: Card Dead - What to do?
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Two Pair
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Originally Posted by wolfmmix
Completely card dead, even with position. Pocket 4's twice and pocket aces twice and one other playable hand - QTs. I can't count how many Q3o, K5o, J4o type hands that I saw.
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Our definitions of card dead are vastly different! I'd kill to have pocket 4s & pocket aces once on nights where nothing's going on.
I doubt there's too much more to add to this subject as vastly superior players to myself have already commented. They're absolutely right though...The only things you can really do are get up & leave or continue playing through it without loosening up overly. The latter has killed me many times...trying to get creative in spots where I shouldn't have.
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Beck
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I think I had the worst card dead experience I have ever had.
5 hours AQ in position and missed flop, pocket 33 once
maybe 2 or 3 suited connectors all night. I did get a bunch of 2 gappers though, but nothing even came close to hitting me. Except once I flopped a full house and of coarse no one will pay me off. I won 3 hands that night, and you know about 1 of them. The other was the AQ that I had 1 caller, and he folder after the flop with a KJ board. Just horrible. No one would believe my bluffs, and I eventually tilted, played bad and lost 2.45 buy-ins. Worst night I eve had.
Now I am taking a few days off poker to get it out of my system. It would be rough to tolerate another night like that.
-Beck
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-Beck
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Jason
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Yeah, it's tough. I actually try to go into live sessions with the mindset I'll never get cards, never hit flops, never win pots because I get sucked out on. Then if I get "lucky" and win a pot, I feel good because I didn't expect to and if I actually go card dead or all that other bad stuff happens, it's like I expected it to.
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