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Off5th
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02-14-2006, 08:09 AM
Post subject: Calculating Odds in LIve Casino's
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ewa Beach
Posts: 180
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Since we here are all online players and we have the fortune of poker softwares of the sites we play in to give us the pot numbers so we are able to calculate pot odds or just know how much is in the pot at any given time, If you were playing in a casino, how would you keep track of pot odds or how much is in the pot. Would you just keep a mental not or can you actually ask the dealer???? I haven't been to a brick and mortar yet but I will soon so I'm just trying to get some answers.
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swiggidy
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4-of-a-Kind
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I guesstimate the pot at home games. The easy way to calculate the odds is %2 * # outs for one card (turn or river), %4 * # outs for both cards (turn and river). So for 9 outs you have 18% chance hitting turn, 36% chance hitting turn or river.
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kingnat
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
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From what I've heard.. the easiest way is to count how many people are in the pot at each street and whether or not there was a raise. You essentially just count the # of small bets... if 5 people see the flop and there was a raise you know they is... 5*2 = 10 small bets in the pot. + whatever the blinds are... this is something you should practice to get good at it. Fortunately, while you are waiting for soem decent cards to come down the line, you can practice counting the pot. You should always have a number in your head.. you don't want to make it obvious you are counting up the pot and trying to figure if you have the odds to call.
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So you click their picture and then you get their money?
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azureXsmurF
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Delaware, USA
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If you're playing limit, I find it helps a LOT to keep track of the pot in terms of bets (keep a mental number in your head of how many times people put money in the pot and raise, and when you get to the higher betting limit just divide it by half to get the number of big bets). They suggest this method in at least SSH and I think it's a great way to make calculations easier.
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Kessler
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 117
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Yes, you just keep track (easier said than done sometimes) of how many bets are swept into the pot after every betting round. It's easier to count right as action is completing than than keeping track as there are raises, folds, etc. Then just keep that number in your head for every street and add as you go. Like Kingnat said, do it when you're not in the hand to get in the habit of it, then eventually it becomes standard procedure.
-Kes
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dev
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: swonging and swonging
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The odds don't have to be perfect. If it's that close and you're on the draw, just fold and wait for a better opportunity.
I tend to calculate them when the bet is made. I play a lot of live $1/$2, and it's pretty easy to remember the way the hand played out. I imagine it's probably harder with limit because there are more people, but in NL I just replay the hand in my head. You have to remember what happens to make a good decision anyway.
Online players are a bit spoiled. You can check the history or the chat log rather than remembering. I actually think about hands while I'm driving. I talk about hands that happened last week while on the phone with friends. You really should develope a memory for it if you're going to play live. It's just practice.
Also, you can get pretty good at looking at a pot and knowing what's in it. It's all just practice. It's good to get a good grasp on how to eye a bunch of chips. I've caught people cheating both at the casino and in home games and bar games with this. They raise, you reraise, they toss in a call and grab a couple on the way back. At a casino, the dealer pauses for a second, but doesn't usually take the time to count the stacks. Keep an eye on it, in NL a lot of people are capable of doing this type of thing.
So, yeah, memory and chip-eye coordination.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 949
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playing 5/10 LHE with red chips ($5) is really easy to count down the pot while it takes time to deal the card/get to me
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
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azureXsmurF
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Delaware, USA
Posts: 170
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Originally Posted by Kessler
Yes, you just keep track (easier said than done sometimes) of how many bets are swept into the pot after every betting round. It's easier to count right as action is completing than than keeping track as there are raises, folds, etc. Then just keep that number in your head for every street and add as you go. Like Kingnat said, do it when you're not in the hand to get in the habit of it, then eventually it becomes standard procedure.
-Kes
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I find the opposite true just because you can count in your head like if you were counting sheep everytime someone calls (+1) or raises (+2) for LHE.
The only NLHE I play live is local home games where it's fine to ask for a pot count.
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