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Rupeni
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03-12-2010, 08:02 PM
Post subject: BIG draw vs tilting guy with a grudge... shove?
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I've got Ac 6c, in the blinds... was raised to $15 pre, Villan and I have $400+ stacks, one other caller. Villan seems like type that does NOT like to be pushed around, emotional tilter sort of thing (esp against me). Board comes 4c 5c 8d he bets $20, I make it $50, he makes it $110. What to do? call? shove? I don't really want the variance of shoving, but might be the best play? even a bit of fold equity makes it the play?
PS ended up calling, he goes weak on turn for $45, call, club comes on river, he bets $75, I shove he calls.... don't think I played it very well though?
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oskar
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Calling pre oop seems pretty spewy.
Even more so if you're lost playing your draws oop.
More information wouldn't hurt. What do you think his preflop raising range is, what's his c-bet range? What could he 3b the flop with?
Without any other reads, I think it's safe to assume that after he gay-3-bets the flop he's not folding, whatever he has. So at that point a call is probably best.
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Rupeni
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sorry actually I got the positions wrong... I was like 2 off the button, he was small blind, I had limped and he raised to 15... which makes sense because he was first to act on each street. In retrospect I think he probably has an overpair, so as long as its not aces I'm in pretty good shape, could have been aces though.
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pokerfan
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why did you limp in A6s two off the button?? As played, i'd just call flop and turn without thinking twice.The majority of live players often make lots of mistakes in bet sizing which you can easily exploit.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Raise pre instead of limping. No need to inflate pot in position postflop with a draw. If you think his a bad player and especially a bad player that might be tilting, their is no need to raise/get it in on the flop (specially in position) for 200BB+ stacks for pretty much a coinflip. Having position here is the key.
Board: 4c 5c 8d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.283% 52.91% 00.37% 17286 121.50 { Ac6c }
Hand 1: 46.717% 46.35% 00.37% 15141 121.50 { 99+ }
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Fnord
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Pay more attention to who you're picking on! Pre-flop: I'm raising here to attack a weak limper, buy the button and get a pot going. Re-raising to $40 is bad given the opponent description. I'd take a flop with position for $15. Post-flop: Go all-in and put your shirt in the pot too. Are you playing above your head? The time to think about putting a lot of money into the pot isn't the flop, but when you made it $40 pre-flop. As sick as it is, he'll fold like JJ/TT/AK here often enough to show a profit.
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Rupeni
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Hey cheers for replies, couple of questions.... being in the process of reading "Small Stakes Hold'em" by Ed Miller (which I'm loving - has made me money already), I'm a bit confused about preflop action here... Ed's saying that A6s is more of a speculative hand that does better in multi way pots (for the 6% of times it hits the nut flush) - hence the limp, but you guys say diff? I like what you say about buying the button Fnord, although this guy is showing VERY LITTLE fold equity to me
Was talking to the guy sitting next to Villan, turns out he had like an underpair with a gutshot.... man I must have a terrible image!
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baudib
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i guess we were waiting for a 66x flop to get our money in? 5-bet shove the flop and like it.
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rupeni
I don't really want the variance of poker,
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pokerfan
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If you dont plan to get it in on the flop, then you should just flat his $20 underbet and exploit his bet sizing mistake in later streets. Your flop raising size is too small to fold out any hands in his range.After his 3 bet, you'd be better off shoving on the flop cuz your implied odds are bad when you hit and got there.
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