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LeFou
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12-07-2006, 02:11 PM
Post subject: Another Question about Ethics
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This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from supersystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun.
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Last time I played live (the Gutshot in London) if you declared your hand during play you were immediately taken out of the hand - didn't matter whether you were lying or not.
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House rule dependent. I've seen Daniel Negreanu tell his hand on a few occasions in tourney play.
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Didn't Gold do this a helluva lot at WSOP?
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Ha, I did this at a SNG at FOXWOODS, I had AA, I went all in,this guy asks me, "so what you got a big Ace?"
I said ACE ACE, He says I CALL.
I flip over the AA, he has AJs .
Everyone at the table was like, Holy shit, he wasn't lying.
I won the hand.
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Originally Posted by Benoso
Didn't Gold do this a helluva lot at WSOP?
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Only like every hand ^^
After doing it like 50 times he's opponents still didn't belive him..
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Yeah Gold was doing it a lot when he took the main event down. We have a guy at our home game that thinks that by telling us his cards we don't believe him. He literally tells us what he has any time we ask him.
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Yeah I've got a buddy who does this. He's telling the truth maybe 1/3rd of the time. I can't read his voice/body language with enough accuracy, so I just use his betting patterns to make my decisions for the most part as he usually reveals a lot more though those.
I don't think it should be banned...it usually livens things up, and it's always funny when someone says "I got aces", and nobody believes them till they flip em' 
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it usually livens things up, and it's always funny when someone says "I got aces", and nobody believes them till they flip em' |
Ha, I did this at my local FOXWOODS, Ten man SNG. some EP guy raises pretty big, it comes around to me, I have AA in LP , I go all in. He's hemming and Hawing, talking outloud. He says you prolly got a big ace...blah blah blah, then straight out asks me, what do you have? I said Ace Ace. He says I CALL, then I snap flip over my Ace Ace. Hilarity ensues.
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it usually livens things up, and it's always funny when someone says "I got aces", and nobody believes them till they flip em' |
Ha, I did this at my local FOXWOODS, Ten man SNG. some EP guy raises pretty big, it comes around to me, I have AA in LP , I go all in. He's hemming and Hawing, talking outloud. He says you prolly got a big ace...blah blah blah, then straight out asks me, what do you have? I said Ace Ace. He says I CALL, then I snap flip over my Ace Ace. Hilarity ensues. |
Exactly. Comedic gold!
Incidentally, I've never seen someone say "aces" in a serious fashion and NOT have em'.
Well...maybe this one guy, but he was a pathological bluffer so he dun count.
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Lukie
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07-14-2008, 01:06 AM
Post subject: Re: Another Question about Ethics
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Originally Posted by LeFou
This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from supersystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun. |
As long as the only active hands are your own and exactly one other person, I don't see any problem with it whatsoever. Given those conditions, I honestly can't see any argument against it whatsoever, but that's just me. Make sure you follow the house rules though. If it's legal and will upset somebody, I guess you just have to weigh the pros and cons. If it's going to make some up-tight fish pissed, I'd avoid doing it.
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TLR
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Originally Posted by LeFou
This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from supersystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun. |
As long as the only active hands are your own and exactly one other person, I don't see any problem with it whatsoever. Given those conditions, I honestly can't see any argument against it whatsoever, but that's just me. Make sure you follow the house rules though. If it's legal and will upset somebody, I guess you just have to weigh the pros and cons. If it's going to make some up-tight fish pissed, I'd avoid doing it. |
why do you think the number of opponents matter ? As long as you don't show your hand you may be lying.
I think it is fine as long as it is allowed by house rules
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Originally Posted by LeFou
This Playing-the-Player forum doesn't get enough love.
Where do you guys stand on saying what you have while you're still in the hand?
I did this at an APL tourney, I said "I have Big Slick" a few times, and kept betting, and opp kept calling with TT when a K was onboard. Big slick won! She was so pisssed, she said next time I say what cards I have they go in the muck. I never heard of that. In fact I distinctly remember a bunch of stories (mostly from supersystem books) about exactly this kind of psych play.
I stopped doing it anyway, since it was perceived as rude there. At cash games with Molinero, this stuff was all part of the fun. |
As long as the only active hands are your own and exactly one other person, I don't see any problem with it whatsoever. Given those conditions, I honestly can't see any argument against it whatsoever, but that's just me. Make sure you follow the house rules though. If it's legal and will upset somebody, I guess you just have to weigh the pros and cons. If it's going to make some up-tight fish pissed, I'd avoid doing it. |
why do you think the number of opponents matter ? As long as you don't show your hand you may be lying.
I think it is fine as long as it is allowed by house rules |
I don't like it with 3 or more people active in the pot for a variety of reasons. One, it opens the door for blatant collusion. It also makes everything very sticky and complicated. Say I'm on the button and turn card is just flipped. I start babbling about my hand. The SB now has some information to work with and the CO very well may not be happy with me, as I've put him at a relative disadvantage. When the pot is HU, these concerns disappear.
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I can see your point about cullosion, but this is a really stupid way to collude, regarding positional disavanage, I can see that too; I think that in WSOP it is a floor manager decision whether or not it should be penalized
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Lukie
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I can see your point about cullosion, but this is a really stupid way to collude, regarding positional disavanage, I can see that too; I think that in WSOP it is a floor manager decision whether or not it should be penalized
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Kind of random, but I hate when the floor makes decisions. They are generally clueless about poker, almost never witnessed the events in question, and show a lot of bias depending on the crowd and the people involved. I think the dealer is far more qualified to make most decisions that are otherwise made by the floor.
Then again, I don't play a whole lot of live poker so take it fwiw.
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