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Azazel
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08-02-2009, 10:16 AM
Post subject: AKs 4 way
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This is kind of a question about fold equity more than anything, I think this is a spot I've gotten into before and not really known what is the correct play here.
I'm on BB with $185 stack everyone has me covered, game is 2/3.
MP is a drunk guy who's really bad from what I've seen (only my 2nd orbit on table) called bottom pair through 3 streets and was good lol. Likely the kind of player that calls any bet with any pair, any draw even overcards.
Button looks like solid player, calls light both post and pre flop.
SB is standard drunk though seems surprisingly cautious.
7 limpers, i have   on raise to $25 (pretty standard from blinds) MP, Button, SB all call.
flop is   
Sb checks, I bet $70, MP calls, Button calls, Sb folds
turn is 
Now i have $85 left in my stack and the pot is $325, generally I think at least one of my A or K is good maybe both here, but against a random J which seems pretty likely, I'm behind. So do I bet my $85 knowning that I'm getting approx 0 fold equity from both players or should I check/call turn then shove any A/K/spade or c/f missed cards?
I think before I've just put the money in because of the pot size and the slight chance that both are drawing and my A high is good, but is it better to not bet if I'm getting 0 fold equity and am behind their range?
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Fnord
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Go all-in on the flop.
As played I would still go all-in because live players make some really stupid decisions when it comes to commitment.
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pokerfan
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just shove on the flop ,man!!! Live players are very scared when BIG money hits the table. As played, i'd still put my remaining chips into the pot and Gamboool.
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GahGah604
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I concur, shove! I would shove flop as stated before though.
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sportbike33
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U played the hand strong from the begining. If your reads are correct then your beat right now and drawing to a flush. You are probably loosing some lfush outs too bc it could giv e someone a possible full House. I think it is pretty much a done deal about the push at this point. You might as well cross your fingers, say all in, and pray for the duece of spades Tell me you saw the river?
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Azazel
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lol i pushed, i'm happy to get my money in here. my question was more theoretical in that if i'm facing two players and am getting exactly 0 fold equity and i know i'm behind should i be the one pushing? i'm pretty sure check/calling or seeing a free river is the better +ev play.
buy as fnord said flop shove is better considering my stack.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Azazel
exactly 0 fold equity
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Not true. You don't have a lot of fold equity, but I see sooo many bad folds....
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BankItDrew
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what u did was essentially value bet a draw by betting 3/4 pot on flop
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chrisa
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$185 in a 2/3 game... I assume you play at Crown Casino in Melbourne?
Shove like Fnord said imo. Players are Crown are just terrible. I see a lot of players who will call with a pair of 3s here but some others will fold TPTK here when there's a big bet.
Shoving is +EV I think, providing your pair of aces or kings are good if you hit it.
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Azazel
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by chrisa
$185 in a 2/3 game... I assume you play at Crown Casino in Melbourne?
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Originally Posted by chrisa
Shove like Fnord said imo. Players are Crown are just terrible. I see a lot of players who will call with a pair of 3s here but some others will fold TPTK here when there's a big bet.
Shoving is +EV I think, providing your pair of aces or kings are good if you hit it.
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ya shoving is def better than trying to bet 2 streets with my stack. idk perhaps i was hesitant because it seem a little crazy to be open shoving after 1 preflop raise but live is live i guess. anyway one had AKo and other J2o, lol
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salsa4ever
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crown 2/3 = super soft
I agree, being OOP just shove it and rep the AA trying to scare out the flushies and plenty of equity if you get called.
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Donk2me
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Agree with pushing flop. However, you might have bought a free river wth your flop bet.
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Sup Aza 
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ehkay47
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Don't think I can ever fold this just for the flush odds alone.
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