AKo HU

**thelorax** · 03-05-2012 05:13 PM

1/2/3

Villain is prob in his late 30s, got stacked a few orbits ago with AK vs AA in a 3b pot...hand pretty much played itself as he only had like 60bbs--but he didnt 4bet shove, he flatted the 3b oop and shoved a Kxx flop.

Effective stax: ~$200 (vill has 200, i have him covered).

2 EPs limp, vil limps , lp limps, im NOT in the small with AKo and make it $20.

all fold besides villain. HU to flop

KT3r

Villain donks for $75, hero?

**chardrian** · 03-06-2012 04:47 AM

gii.

**Sykedupp** · 03-06-2012 11:34 PM

shove

**Fnord** · 03-08-2012 10:39 PM

I might call, but probably shove.

**d0zer** · 03-08-2012 10:55 PM

how does villain donk when you're "in the small", and villain limped before BU?

I also don't get shoving on this mega dry board where the only draw is QJ and villain could easily be frustration bluffing, and the only thing worse he's doing this for 'value' with has 3 outs.

**thelorax** · 03-09-2012 12:36 AM

sorry, apparently i wasnt in the blinds...cause vil def donked the flop.

so I called, didnt really see the point in jamming...

why do you guys think jam>call?

**chardrian** · 03-09-2012 05:17 AM

I dont really think it matters all that much tbh. Someone who has put in 1/2 their stack usually isn't folding, and if he is, taking a 100 pot down with no showdown is fine too. If there is any chance he is bluffing then calling is > shoving.

**acg123** · 03-09-2012 04:44 PM

Prolly has a Kx type hand, shoving is fine also bu I dont really see any value, I think you lose value from weaker kings, kq,kj,k9, etc. do u have a read that he overvalues TP?? Kt and 33 are the only hands your really behind I think he raises tt but idk.

**thelorax** · 03-09-2012 05:04 PM

my only read(s) are his AK hand from earlier in the session where he flatted a 3b oop for like 60% of his stack and donkshipped a K hi flop and got snapped by AA.
Ive yet to see him over bet a pot. been limp folding a bit. not the kind of guy who sees a ton of flops, but not solid based my observations since he sat down.

**acg123** · 03-09-2012 05:23 PM

Wrll I think flatting ia best then, kt or 33 are the o.ly hands id be worried about him holding the overbet donk seems like a kq type hand, but could also be kt. I think I call flop and given his stack size hes only going to have about 1/2 psb left. And I call that too, your ahead often enough vs. bis range to allow him him to keep betting into you.

**drmcboy** · 03-15-2012 12:57 AM

I dont really think it matters all that much tbh

they have 30 BBs back, stopping someone from making a 30BB mistake has to matter and is not 'fine'.

call, not close.

**Fnord** · 03-15-2012 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by drmcboy

they have 30 BBs back, stopping someone from making a 30BB mistake has to matter and is not 'fine'.

call, not close.

It's not a 30bb mistake because just about any reasonable holding has a little equity against top top.

**d0zer** · 03-15-2012 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Fnord

It's not a 30bb mistake because just about any reasonable holding has a little equity against top top.

air has very little equity, and given description of villain, he could easily have enough air to make calling more +EV. Villain's range doesn't benefit from 1 card nearly often enough and we're getting the monies in the middle regardless. what's he calling a flop shove with that he doesn't call a turn shove? Even QJ will frustration c/c if he doesn't shove himself.

**drmcboy** · 03-16-2012 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by Fnord

It's not a 30bb mistake because just about any reasonable holding has a little equity against top top.

how about posting why we'd want him to fold 'any reasonable holding' instead of nitpicking useless details?

alternatively, please post what XXbb mistake it is, and why that is important or relevant.

03-05-2012 05:13 PM #1
thelorax View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2010 Posts 355 Location getting reemed by fee hikes, ca	AKo HU 1/2/3 Villain is prob in his late 30s, got stacked a few orbits ago with AK vs AA in a 3b pot...hand pretty much played itself as he only had like 60bbs--but he didnt 4bet shove, he flatted the 3b oop and shoved a Kxx flop. Effective stax: ~$200 (vill has 200, i have him covered). 2 EPs limp, vil limps , lp limps, im NOT in the small with AKo and make it $20. all fold besides villain. HU to flop KT3r Villain donks for $75, hero?
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03-06-2012 04:47 AM #2
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03-06-2012 11:34 PM #3
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03-08-2012 10:39 PM #4
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	I might call, but probably shove.
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03-08-2012 10:55 PM #5
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,223	how does villain donk when you're "in the small", and villain limped before BU? I also don't get shoving on this mega dry board where the only draw is QJ and villain could easily be frustration bluffing, and the only thing worse he's doing this for 'value' with has 3 outs.

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03-09-2012 12:36 AM #6
thelorax View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2010 Posts 355 Location getting reemed by fee hikes, ca	sorry, apparently i wasnt in the blinds...cause vil def donked the flop. so I called, didnt really see the point in jamming... why do you guys think jam>call?
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03-09-2012 05:17 AM #7
chardrian View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message I rarely,if ever, get pms Join Date Apr 2005 Posts 5,332	I dont really think it matters all that much tbh. Someone who has put in 1/2 their stack usually isn't folding, and if he is, taking a 100 pot down with no showdown is fine too. If there is any chance he is bluffing then calling is > shoving.
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03-09-2012 04:44 PM #8
acg123 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2011 Posts 190	Prolly has a Kx type hand, shoving is fine also bu I dont really see any value, I think you lose value from weaker kings, kq,kj,k9, etc. do u have a read that he overvalues TP?? Kt and 33 are the only hands your really behind I think he raises tt but idk.

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03-09-2012 05:04 PM #9
thelorax View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2010 Posts 355 Location getting reemed by fee hikes, ca	my only read(s) are his AK hand from earlier in the session where he flatted a 3b oop for like 60% of his stack and donkshipped a K hi flop and got snapped by AA. Ive yet to see him over bet a pot. been limp folding a bit. not the kind of guy who sees a ton of flops, but not solid based my observations since he sat down.
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03-09-2012 05:23 PM #10
acg123 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2011 Posts 190	Wrll I think flatting ia best then, kt or 33 are the o.ly hands id be worried about him holding the overbet donk seems like a kq type hand, but could also be kt. I think I call flop and given his stack size hes only going to have about 1/2 psb left. And I call that too, your ahead often enough vs. bis range to allow him him to keep betting into you.

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03-15-2012 12:57 AM #11
drmcboy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message DrButtInski Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 10,669	I dont really think it matters all that much tbh they have 30 BBs back, stopping someone from making a 30BB mistake has to matter and is not 'fine'. call, not close.

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03-15-2012 08:30 PM #12
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	Originally Posted by drmcboy they have 30 BBs back, stopping someone from making a 30BB mistake has to matter and is not 'fine'. call, not close. It's not a 30bb mistake because just about any reasonable holding has a little equity against top top.
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03-15-2012 10:59 PM #13
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,223	Originally Posted by Fnord It's not a 30bb mistake because just about any reasonable holding has a little equity against top top. air has very little equity, and given description of villain, he could easily have enough air to make calling more +EV. Villain's range doesn't benefit from 1 card nearly often enough and we're getting the monies in the middle regardless. what's he calling a flop shove with that he doesn't call a turn shove? Even QJ will frustration c/c if he doesn't shove himself.

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03-16-2012 05:46 AM #14
drmcboy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message DrButtInski Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 10,669	Originally Posted by Fnord It's not a 30bb mistake because just about any reasonable holding has a little equity against top top. how about posting why we'd want him to fold 'any reasonable holding' instead of nitpicking useless details? alternatively, please post what XXbb mistake it is, and why that is important or relevant.
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