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naturalassassin
Old 03-02-2009, 09:42 AM     Post subject: AA MP in LP table #1 (permalink)  

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1-2NL full ring live game. Loose passive table. I have an aggressive and somewhat loose image. I'm at $230
Vilian ($200) is 2 seats to my left with loose somewhat aggressive style post flop.
Early Position I get AhAd. and open to $6... I get 4 callers. ($30)

FLOP is 9c 8d 4c.
I bet $30 Villian calls and everybody folds. ($90)

TURN is 9h.
I'm out of position and decide to check with the intention of raising If I sense weakness. He bets $40 and didn't give much away at this point but It's so small I can afford to min-raise and see what happens. I min-raise to $80 and he hesitates for longer than usual and finally decides to call. I'm thinking he's weak and doesn't have the 9 because he would have raised me with a straight and flush out there. Then again he may be really tight and can't raise a weak 9. So I'm confident he's got either got either one of the draws or 2 Pair. ($250)

RIVeR is 6d
I move in on the River for my remaining 110 or so dollars. He thinks long and hard and mucks... asking if I had the 9 LOL.

How did I do?
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:12 PM #2 (permalink)  

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I hate it. Why not check call the river, just like the turn? Or bet 50 on the end and see if he'll call. By moving in you represent the 9 or an overpair, so how can he call? He'd call if he had you beat that's for sure.....

He MIGHT call if he thought you were bluffing, but you have to have shown him that a time or two before this hand.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:09 PM #3 (permalink)  

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I thought he was more likely to call than to bet on the river. But thinking back I probably should have checked the river. He seemed really upset and actually left the table right after the hand. So I'm pretty sure he layed down 2 pair. I don't know if he would have bet the hand though.

If I check call the turn, I know that a 9 hit and he bet. I'm feeling a bit uneasy out of position for the river especially if a draw hits. If I raise when he's on a draw he probably won't hesitate calling.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I think you played it fine. River bet sizing is a fine art here-- you want to bet enough to collect a good pot but not enough to induce a fold, and it's hard to know what might entice the Villain to call.

Given that this is an educational forum, though, I have to comment on Villain's play. If Villain did flop two pair, he played AWFUL.

If you flop a weak 2 pair against a player who is representing a high pocket pair, you need to bet that hand hard enough to put a bad price on the high pocket pair's draw, because he will have 6 outs on the turn and 10 outs on the river. So the Villain should raise the flop.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:25 PM #5 (permalink)  

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Lawdude you are correct. I've been burned so badly everytime I've failed to raise with 2 pair.
I was putting my opponent on an overpair by the way the betting went down. I raised from early position and he called from middle position. He called my flop bet with 3 players to act behind him. He then bet the turn. I don't think he could do this with just an 8. He must have had a club draw to go with it or an overpair.


Again some great advice about river betting. What do I bet though? I could have bet $75 and I think he would have called. But my philosophy is If I think I have the best hand I'm going all in. He even said after the hand if he had more money he was calling for sure.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Lawdude you are correct. I've been burned so badly everytime I've failed to raise with 2 pair. I was putting my opponent on an overpair by the way the betting went down. I raised from early position and he called from middle position. He called my flop bet with 3 players to act behind him. He then bet the turn. I don't think he could do this with just an 8. He must have had a club draw to go with it or an overpair.


Again some great advice about river betting. What do I bet though? I could have bet $75 and I think he would have called. But my philisophy is If I think I have the best hand I'm going all in. He even said after the hand if he had more money he was calling for sure.
What you bet on the river when you think you are clearly ahead of Villain's likely range is just a matter of your reads as to what Villain might call. You mention the Villain saying that if he had more money he was calling for sure-- that might give you a bit of direction in that you may want to check the Villain's stack, especially if you perceive him as a weak player. If you are forcing Villain to commit all his chips, he might be more likely to fold, as many players don't really like to shove unless they feel pretty confident that they are ahead.

But the reason I am not giving you a straight answer as to this is because there really isn't one. In this instance, your bet turned out to be too much, but in another instance, with another Villain, you might get a call. You just have to guess the size of your value bet based on your experience and what this Villain has shown you he may be willing to call, as well as stack sizes.

For that reason, I think you played the hand fine.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:53 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Your turn play is retarded because his range has a lot of 9x and draws in it.

Bet a tad less on the flop to balance our your c-bets (hope someone goes over the top.)
Bet/fold a lot of money on the turn
Check the river unless you think he has a showdown value hand without a nine in it a lot.
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