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!Luck
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05-05-2010, 11:41 PM
Post subject: 50BB Live Poker Thoughts
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Full House
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I am going to be playing in a 1/2 100 buyin cash game. Reload at anytime. I am thinking that blind stealing becomes more important and hands like 67s become unplayable except as a bluff. Based on what I know I suspect the standard raise will be 5BB+, meaning that set hunting is impossible. Further, I suspect that going all in with AK is still a mistake since most of these players ranges would still be kk+.
Can anyone offer me some thoughts? It seems that a FR game become a lot more about flop play until the game gets deep.
I suspect it will be a limp fast as well. So what do you guys think of shoving AK on the button vs 5 limpers? Or other weird plays like that
!luck
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Fnord
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Build big pots with good cards. Felt top pair until the money gets deep.
What's the rake?
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Illfavor
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Do you mean 3bet shoving AK pre is a mistake or...?
Play tight as Fnord said. I'm not rly sure that blind stealing is going to be that much more important, unless you think the buyin size will effect ppls preflop tightness. I'm not really sure I'm just shipping it vs. 5 limpers either. Like, if there's a raise and 3 callers that's an easier ship generally but unless these people are really really loose with 50bbs it doesn't seem more +EV to just ship for 13bbs or w/e. Playing with a low SPR is pretty easy...it kinda takes a lot of bluff out of your game (therein possibly diminishing your edge) but the benefit is that it's easy. I recently read a decent 2p2 thread on something similar so I'll see if I can find it.
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!Luck
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Full House
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Home game no rake.
Rake=20 or whatever chipin for beer/pizza
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Quote:
Originally Posted by !Luck
Home game no rake.
Rake=20 or whatever chipin for beer/pizza
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Sounds fun/profitable.
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jyms
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Never slow play, see cheap flops multiway IP and bet the shit out of TPTK. Don't talk much about poker and make it look like gambling even though your folding a ton.
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!Luck
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Will post TRIP Report.
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by !Luck
Home game no rake.
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Play lots of hands in position. Probably even complete your SB with trash, take a sip and check/fold without looking.
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swiggidy
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Thinking out loud here. How important is $100 to these people (and are they friends). If they are gambling take several buyins and don't be afraid to get it in while the stacks are short.
Also consider your preflop bet sizing. Unopened with position your raises can be smaller as you're not offering implied odds with short stacks and that will give you some wiggle room post flop
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!Luck
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Trip Report:
Profit $101. After playing online (micro stakes) for years I am used to zoning out when I am not in a hand. But, live this is bad. There is information to be gathered that not being there is -ev.
I started figuring out what everyone plays, but while figuring out the manics from the decent players, I had to give up in some spots, that I would not if I knew their style.
People go for 3 streets of value with TPMK. The aggression was greater than I expected but most hands where 3-4 handed.
What confused me most was 5 poeple limp I raise to 10-12 (std raise was 5,7 and 15) I get three callers. UTG bets out. I fold. Now this happened several times where UTG leads into several opponents (UTG was the same player leading into large fields regardless of flop texture) some poeple fold some call. It looked like he would check his draws on turn and bet his TP hands. After 5-6 hours of play, he was either running extremely good or that just how he plays and I can exploit but iso raising when I have a bit of the flop. Though, I do not think he would drop his draws (value) or his top pair (value), I guess that means I should only do it when I hit hard and see how he reacts.
There was one nit in the game who limped AA,AK, and I assume other premium holdings and rarely raised preflop. However, I did have an intersting hand with him. One limper I am BB he is SB with 66. He raises to 7, his std raise, I call (limper folds [rare]). Stacks are 75bb. Flop comes Q34r. He bets 15. I call turn is 7 now there is a flush draw. I bet 20, he calls, river blanks. He checks I check. He flips 55. This shows me that he has c beting in his aresnal and that he will call on draws, but most of the time he "has it".
It seems common that poeple limp great hands. When I was still 50bb I raise to 10 get 2 callers LP pops it to 40, I shove he calls with QQ. Reason I played is partly cause of the short stacks and I suspected that he would smooth call KK and AA, plus he was a little while wild.
I had KTo many times in EP and MP, and I think that since I was not able to get position those hands become easy folds. Further, which bothered me, but really shouldn't, is that I couldn't raise A3o on button get heads up fire any board and take it down. Everyone was fitting and ISO was never working. A3o can get 2 streets of value from second pair from some of these players so I am tempted to play it on the button, but not raising it seems crazy.
Overall, I have a lot to learn against playing these types of players. Most of my money came from sick calls. 2 examples
LP qjs, I raise get 3 callers rainbow flop of A37 check around T still rainbow, river Q, checked around to me I throw a 10 dollar value bet semi wild guy raises me to 40. I realize this is classic bluff or owned type of area so I think call, he has garbage.
Ex #2. I have 88 LP truly wild and bad players (likes middle and bottom pair way too much) raises 7 I call flop 235 he bets 10 Myself and another person calls. turn comes 3. He bets 10 again and it is heads up. river comes 7, no flush complete he bets 25 I call. I am good.
He loves to bluff and bet almost randomly at times.
Lastly, I need to find a better way to remember all the hands I play. I did not drink as it was byob and only one brought beer.
Though it is 100 buyin, no one had problems reloading several times. Losses of 300 are common some guys drop as much as 900 on some nights. So the goal is to double up early and get some play. No rake rules. I plan on playing here vs other places even though the players might be a little better but no rake and close proximity to my house makes it a win.
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