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!Luck
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04-24-2010, 12:54 AM
Post subject: 200 NL Live
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Full House
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Stacks 150BB
Villain is SB has played a semi aggressive game likes to bet his draws for 2 streets and give up on river. I have recently raised 20 when 7 players limped on the button, which was called by 2 players (not the villain) then c bet 40 and showed a completely dry bluff with 78s.
2 limpers I raise to 12 with QQ on the button SB raises to 32. I call and it is heads up.
Flop comes J84r, he checks I bet 35 he check raises to 95. I fold my QQ.
Does this make sense?
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FlyingSaucy
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Not sure. Yes it makes sense if you didn't mention your bluff show.
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!Luck
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Full House
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Is it just one of those times that you need to have a good read to call cause I am playing for stack here. He showed btw. Will wait to post answer though.
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pokerfan
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If your image is this bad,then you should stack off here for sure. BTW,the majority of live players in my casino games only 3 bet with AK,KK+ preflop 
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swiggidy
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Does betting this flop make sense? Is he c/c 99-TT? Would think he'd bet AJ if that's even in his range. Seems like the only value you have is from AK.
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!Luck
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That was my thought exactly Swiggidy, That I am only getting value from AK and he would chase to hit the A or the K, which is why I bet, once he raised I knew he had KK+, because I too find that poeple only 3 bet kk+, AK. Anyways, he showed k4o. But I don't think I can make a play here without a read. Since I am still new to live I just don't have the feel yet.
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by !Luck
showed a completely dry bluff with 78s.
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Stop mindfucking yourself.
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pokerfan
If your image is this bad,then you should stack off here for sure. BTW,the majority of live players in my casino games only 3 bet with AK,KK+ preflop |
Many such players will flat AK, discounting it somewhat. With less money behind I would snap fold pre-flop. As-is it's a pretty meh spot.
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baudib
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if you insisting on showing bluffs then expect to get played back at; i.e. you'll have to make some thinnish calldowns. if you're not willing to stack overpairs with your image then don't create that image.
short answer: what fnord said.
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
if you insisting on showing bluffs then expect to get played back at; i.e. you'll have to make some thinnish calldowns.
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..or just don't inspire your opponents to be less predictable to please your ego. If they do or not isn't important if it complicates your hand reading. That said, I know because I've been there.
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!Luck
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Great points. No more bluff showing for me. I was disappointed that when I 3 bet the FLOP on some of my flop sets poeple where laying down TPGK, I thought this is live where poeple stack off with anything.
Will keep playing, sparingly.
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pokerfan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by !Luck
I was disappointed that when I 3 bet the FLOP on some of my flop sets poeple where laying down TPGK, I thought this is live where poeple stack off with anything.
Will keep playing, sparingly.
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your table selection sucks. Well, you can definitely run over ppl if they routinely fold their weak hands under pressure when big real money hits the table -just dont show your hands to them.
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