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mrhappy333
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04-06-2009, 11:15 PM
Post subject: 1/2NL hand. Local Casino
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Hero has $200
The Table has 2 super Fish!! Villian (BB)is not one of them.
Villian has been showing down sets, straights, and the nuts.
My image should be tight as I have played maybe 4 hands in the past hour and a half.
Utg 1,2, Mp1,Lp1,2, CO (HERO) Limp with  
BTN, and SB, BB all Limp. First time everyone Limps 9 players Pot $18
Flop   
checks all around.
Turn 
Checks to me, I bet $20
Everyone folds except the BB who Raises to $60
Call/ fold/ or ReRaise my flush here?
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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mrhappy333
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tCracker, do not post results!
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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Fnord
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Raise pre-flop, bet the flop.
As played, fold the turn.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Raise pre-flop, bet the flop.
As played, fold the turn.
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The pre-flop raise is up to you. I actually advocate against this unless you know that you are going to get called. Suited connectors don't play well without several players in the pot.
But I can't emphasize Fnord's second piece of advice enough. BET THE FLOP, BET THE FLOP, BET THE FLOP. You flopped a straight flush draw. That means you probably have at least 13 good outs, and you may have 6 more depending on what other players have. I play more limit than no limit, so obviously I am used to being more aggressive on good drawing hands, but seriously, when it looks like you have between 13 and 19 outs, and lots of players saw the flop (meaning there's a fair amount of money already in the pot), you are getting great pot odds, let alone implied odds, on your money. Plus, you can price out competing hands that are also drawing (including, perhaps, somebody with a better flush draw than you but no straight draw). And you can build some fold equity that might set up a bluff if you miss on later streets. It's all good.
Oh, and did I tell you to bet the flop?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Suited connectors don't play well without several players in the pot.
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They're the bomb in 2-3 ways pots in the unlimited hold'them.
In really loose games I like to make pot builder raises with a range of good hands. Suited broadways, pocket pairs, suited connectors so I can win stacks and make decions for more money.
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sk8r_daniel
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Isn't it possible that he also has J9, QT, Q8, Q4, 2h3h, 3h5h here?
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Suited connectors don't play well without several players in the pot.
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They're the bomb in 2-3 ways pots in the unlimited hold'them.
In really loose games I like to make pot builder raises with a range of good hands. Suited broadways, pocket pairs, suited connectors so I can win stacks and make decions for more money. |
If people are calling, it's a different story-- as long as the stacks are big, a raise can be a nice play. What I don't really like is raises with suited connectors that isolate the player heads up. That's not really where most of the value from suited connectors comes from (especially lower ones).
In any event, as I said, you can raise or not raise suited connectors (there's all sorts of strategic considerations on that), but the whopper on this hand is not betting the flop with a straight flush draw.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by LawDude
If people are calling, it's a different story-- as long as the stacks are big, a raise can be a nice play. What I don't really like is raises with suited connectors that isolate the player heads up. That's not really where most of the value from suited connectors comes from (especially lower ones).
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Most hands don't go to showdown and they put me on AK.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by LawDude
If people are calling, it's a different story-- as long as the stacks are big, a raise can be a nice play. What I don't really like is raises with suited connectors that isolate the player heads up. That's not really where most of the value from suited connectors comes from (especially lower ones).
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Most hands don't go to showdown and they put me on AK. |
Well, don't try that one against ME. 
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Well, don't try that one against ME. |
If you want to play for stacks every hand, then go for it.
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LawDude
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by LawDude
Well, don't try that one against ME. |
If you want to play for stacks every hand, then go for it. |
No, I just won't put you on AK. Whether I challenge you depends on (1) whether I think I have any fold equity and (2) whether I have a hand with showdown value against your expected raising range.
Yesterday, I was playing 20/40. (I took a horrible beat on one hand, which I posted in the tilt section.) There were 2 loose aggressive players who spent the entire night raising early and often, pre- and post-flop. And I ended up playing pretty well against them, other than some issues with variance (one of them was showing down trash hands against everyone else who called him but almost always hit top pair when he was up against me).
But I had a couple of hands where I took huge pots from these guys. One was a hand where one of them made his customary pre-flop raise, it folded around to me, and I three-bet with pocket deuces and successfully isolated against him. He called to the river (including calling a check-raise on the turn) and folded on the last bet.
Another was on a hand I 3-bet from the button with KTo, and one of the maniacs capped. Flop was TT4 rainbow, the guy had Q4s and just spewed his chips into the pot on all three streets.
The thing is, if I can isolate a player, I can play heads-up poker quite decently if the Villain's raising range is too loose. Where I have some trouble is where the entire table is calling the raises. In that situation, it becomes a lottery ticket because it's very hard to figure out who has what during a loose-aggressive betting festival. But that's more of a problem in limit than no limit.
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