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Kbryce23
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05-24-2009, 09:49 AM
Post subject: (1/2 Live) Gut shot+FD facing 2 shoves
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Went to the casino tonight for my birthday and decided to play some 1/2 NL(bad BRM, but its my bday). I won a big hand earlier so I am sitting with $450, and most of the table is largestack. I get dealt   on the button. 2 limpers before a very tight guy from mp raises to $15. CO calls, I call and so does the limpers. So pot is like $80 before rake. Flop comes    . UTG bets out 40, MP shoves 250, and CO pushes his 200ish in the middle. MP I put directly on KK+, maybe AK. He seems too passive to shove a flush draw. I know CO has a K7 because he flipped his cards over soon as he called lol. Im a bit worried that UTG might have a FD, but he looks like he is folding. Pot is $570 and it costs me $250. So should I call? or should I wait for a better spot since I am at a great table full of big stack donks.
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oskar
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I'm pretty sure there needs to be a floorman decision here because with the K7 turned up your decision is now a lot easier.
For the sake of argument let's say MP has either AA, KK or AK and never a draw.
These are 13 combinations that you are basically flipping against - with the K7 out there are less outs for him to redraw, so you're prolly about 48% against just MP and only slightly worse against both him and CO. - against MP and CO this is obviously a snap-call. You have way more equity than you need no matter how short
CO is.
The one to be concerned about here is UTG. His donking frequency and range as well as his stack size is what makes your decision.
I think this is a clear call almost 90% of the time. - but I'd put it in poker stove and play with the UTG ranges.
Remember that his range is heavily weighted towards sets or draws with all the Kings in MP's range and one king already out.
The question whether you should wait with donks at the table is kind of peculiar. If you had KK here, and you'd be in the hand vs 2 players, and at least one of them you put on some kind of draw, and the other one is probably drawing - you would snap call, would you not?... but that's basically the same situation equity wise. It's only psychologically different because you don't have a made hand yet.
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effective stack($230 ?) is not big enough for me to call $15 raise preflop with low sc like 56s on BT. If you think none of these guys have higher FD, then its definitely a no-brainer call with your good equity(40%+). Anyways, i'd snap call & gamble this all day and smile when i hit on the river :P
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Kbryce23
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Why would there need to be a floorman decision? Nobody even seemed to care that he flipped his cards. I agree that $15 is too much to call with low SCs, but that was a standard raise and I knew it would be multiway. Anyways, I pushed and UTG tanked for like 3 minutes and finally folded q high FD. MP flipped over KK. I missed and MP took it down. Was funny when a 7 came on the river and CO jumped up and started screaming in joy not realizing MP had a bigger boat.
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oskar
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Don't post results.
The floorman should be called because two people are still left to act, and he's not even the only one all-in. It gives people with a dominated made hand the chance to fold - costing MP a lot of money if he has KK.
idk about the 56 call. I definitely wouldn't make it online... and live I probably wouldn't play it, but I think it's borderline. Without rake you could probably play it profitably, but with ~10% rake I think it's a fold.
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Kbryce23
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Originally Posted by oskar
Don't post results.
The floorman should be called because two people are still left to act, and he's not even the only one all-in. It gives people with a dominated made hand the chance to fold - costing MP a lot of money if he has KK.
idk about the 56 call. I definitely wouldn't make it online... and live I probably wouldn't play it, but I think it's borderline. Without rake you could probably play it profitably, but with ~10% rake I think it's a fold.
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Figured discussion was over. You guys made it pretty obvious it was an easy call and I was just scared to make it because the money meant too much to me.
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Fnord
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Easy call. If you're on scared money don't call pre-flop.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.181% 15.03% 00.15% 6109 60.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 42.562% 42.41% 00.15% 17235 60.00 { K7s }
Hand 2: 42.257% 42.26% 00.00% 17171 0.00 { 6d5d }
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GahGah604
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i concur
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