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baudib
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09-25-2010, 08:13 PM
Post subject: $1/$3 two hands vs. same villain
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Villain as observed over 3 sessions is pretty straightforward, loose preflop (probably calls raises in the big blind about 60% of the time, does a lot of limp-calling), but generally leads right out regardless of position if he has hand of any reasonable strength. It seems that in position he'll bet all of his marginal holdings and his draws, but doesn't seem to lead his draws out of position.
He knows that I will occasionally check behind with top pair (although I wouldn't do it here, only in HU pots).
6-handed game
UTG raises to $10
1 fold, CO calls, I call with 99 on the button, SB calls, BB calls
flop
  
pot: $50
Everyone checks to me. Two players in the hand are check-raise happy, and can definitely do it with draws, so I check IP.
Turn:

Everyone checks again. Now I bet $25. The big blind calls and everyone else folds.
pot: $100
River: 
He immediately fires out $50.
My assumption is this is an immediate call, and it doesn't matter if I have third pair or A2 or 34, maybe even KQ. Unless he has 66 or some weird two pair, I can't see wtf he can have...I have blockers to the only draw that got there.
i'll get into the next hand later.
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I fold unless balancing my range or meta-game require me to call. Would he expect you to fold anything less than TP here? Is he good enough to hand read that you don't have an Ace? He seems to be on level 1 and value betting Asmall or Tx(tho your read kinda indicates he wouldn't value bet a T here).
I check this down given the board, your position, & number of players in the pot. I don't think a Ten folds the turn and your plan was to check back the river right? Just check it down.
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baudib
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In a HU hand vs. him earlier, I checked AJ on a AKx board, bet the turn and the river (where he folded a king).
now I would never play an ace the same way in this hand, with a flush draw and this many people in the hand, although I don't think he realizes that.
He has to think there's a decent chance I have an ace but I think he is trying to get me to fold a T.
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Hand 1, I would cry call an Ace, against a passive you're going to see at least a Ten here a lot. The insta-bet feels a bit bluffy though. How close were you paying attention? Do you think the river card had any impact on his decision to bet the river? If so, this is an even easier fold.
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baudib
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I wouldn't say he was passive, but he wouldn't push draws OOP. I saw him turn a made hand into a horrid bluff with AT on A-high board on river when flush completed, but he had 0 fold equity in the hand vs. a shortstack.
He was definitely waiting for the river card to come out. As for physical tells, he was doing something different in this hand than I had seen all night. Earlier he donked into someone who had led the flop and turn by casually tossed all his chips into the pot on the river (he claimed he had a straight). Here he pushed his chips out neatly in a forceful motion.
I think Mike Caro would want me to call.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Here he pushed his chips out neatly in a forceful motion.
I think Mike Caro would want me to call.
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Certainly bluffy body language, but you need to consider it in context and weight all the information you have.
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Next hand please.
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I guess results are relevant to reads, I called and he showed  . He says, "Wow I thought I had clubs. "
Couple hands later I raise to $10 from UTG with
 
Villain calls on button.
Flop is   
I bet $15, he calls.
Turn: 
I bet $35, he calls.
River: 
I check, he bets $50. I say, "That's the same bet you made on the river as last time, but this time there were no draws that missed." He smiles.
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I snap this on pot odds alone. Getting 3.5:1 with this relative hand strength, I call this in spite of almost any read to the contrary.
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baudib
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Do you prefer c-c to b-f in this spot?
after thinking out loud for 30 seconds I called. I'm not for hero folds getting great odds either, but isn't it obvious he has a 5? I am not sure he is v-betting Jx here; even though I beat all Jx I felt I should let it go.
given previous hand do you think he's trying to get me to fold? that's what bothered me. I am not sure he thinks about hands in terms of ranges but isn't it obvious I have a big hand?
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I think he would certainly bet AJ there & possibly KJ. I only like c/c if you think he will bluff whiffed draws on the river. He doesn't seem the type to do so. I would probably bet/evaluate with a lean toward folding. I wonder, did you pick up any info on his flop/turn calls?
If he were reading ranges he'd have bet more than $50 there. Your range has a lot of 2 pairs of the overpair variety except I would expect you to raise more than 5x pre with a high pair.
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it was an odd game.
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