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Old 11-27-2009, 01:03 PM     Post subject: $1/$2: KK on 6-high flop and I want to fold #1 (permalink)  
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Villain in this hand is a very experienced and superior player who makes most of his living playing bigger games in the city and in AC.
In observing him over a few hands I'd say he's a very good hand reader, he plays a wide range of hands preflop and is very aggressive postflop, pushing his combo draws hard and stealing any pot where he senses weakness.

In our previous action, I took a $245 pot off him with QQ vs. AJ on a board that went J 7 6 -- T -- 2. He and another player limped pre, I raised to $15, they both call, he leads the flop for $20, I raise to $50, 1 fold, he calls. We both checked the T on the turn (it was a fairly bad card imo as JT/98 got there), I vbet the river for $50, he says, "I usually get away from this, because you have Aces, Kings or Queens, but I haven't seen you play before, so I could be wrong," and calls.

Later in a 4-way limped pot, I make what he says is a good fold on the river: I (BB) bet after flopping bottom 2 on 7 3 2, he (SB) leads after A hits on turn, river is 6 and he pots.

KK hand: We're 6-handed, UTG calls, he calls in CO, I raise to $15 on the button and blinds fold.

Flop comes: 6 4 3 rainbow. Both players check and I fire $30. UTG folds, he checkraises to $75. I have about $260 behind and he has $600.

FWIW, I had been hand reading extremely well this session, and I feel like I want to throw up. I have not seen him show down medium pairs like 88-TT, but my guess is, based on AJ hand, that he would not check to me if he thought he was good with a one-pair type hand. I have not seen him check-raise either. I'd guess he'd let me be another round if he flopped a straight with 75. pretty sure he has sets, 64, 43, or maybe 65.
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Old 11-27-2009, 07:26 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Maybe fold, probably snap call.

How does he play his big hands? Does he think you c-bet? How does he combat c-bets?
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It's hard to say, the hands I saw, he would let the other guy do the betting for him when he had nutlike hands, until they slowed down. but he would take people off hands by representing every possible straight/flush or overcard, and he couldn't possibly have had it every time. I think he must have had a decent read on when I had large pairs based on the QQ hand, when I most certainly knew I was good on the river.

However, I certainly did not like the 643 flop as it hits his range hard. As I said, I had not seen him check-raise before.
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Old 11-29-2009, 07:52 AM #4 (permalink)  
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However, I certainly did not like the 643 flop as it hits his range hard.
Looks like air to me.

Since he's probably playing a fair range you got to figure he's gonna have bigger stuff quite a lot.

J98 two tone nails his range. 643 rainbow doesn't.

The check-raise really defines his hand and you got to figure out what's going on at that point. The money isn't deep and my default is to just commit here. Either call it off or just go all-in.

Unless you're playing a tight/predictable image and he'd play a really big hand this strong. Then maybe throw him a mulligan.

Fail that, I'm calling the flop and using position to get it in on any turn card.

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It's hard to say, the hands I saw, he would let the other guy do the betting for him when he had nutlike hands, until they slowed down. but he would take people off hands by representing every possible straight/flush or overcard, and he couldn't possibly have had it every time. I think he must have had a decent read on when I had large pairs based on the QQ hand, when I most certainly knew I was good on the river.
Based on this, I'm very happy to get it in. He thinks this is an airball board.
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The problem is I thought he had me pretty much on a large overpair.

Thinking about it I think he would slowplay a set as well as a straight on this board. however, a vulnerable hand like 64/43/63 he would probably play fast.
still the small chance he has an overpair himself.

I got it in -- I can't say I was happy about it -- because folding KK on a 6-high flop seemed absurd and too exploitable.
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however, a vulnerable hand like 64/43/63 he would probably play fast.
I've won A LOT of money sucking out and out carding two pair against loose players.

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because folding KK on a 6-high flop seemed absurd and too exploitable.
It's live poker, if you're beat, fold.
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