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baudib
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12-16-2009, 03:53 AM
Post subject: $1/$2 flop top 2, turn brings flush card
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Villain in this hand is perhaps the best player I've run into in my small stakes games. He's very young, predictably LAG preflop but extremely disciplined postflop -- he can fold huge overpairs and even trips/bad kicker pretty quickly if he faces aggression -- and an excellent hand reader. He likes to stab at scare cards. My read is he doesn't want to stack off without the goods although he occasionally makes a spewy call in huge pots.
He views me as one of the better players and says he's not leaving this night until he felts me or I felt him.
My game plan is to basically never play him out of position with offsuit broadways worse than AKo, I'm only in this hand because I have position and it's likely to be 4-way or more.
Table is 7-handed and he raises UTG+1 to $12. CO calls, I'm on button and call with   SB folds and BB calls. He has $400 and I have $350.
Flop is   
He leads for $30, CO folds and I raise to $80. BB folds and he calls. He knows I'll donk out of position with strong draws and raise on combo draws in position. My guess is he puts my raising range here as pretty strong -- JJ/sets/2 pair/combo draws.
I think he'd reraise sets, fold overpairs and continue with his strongest draws.
Turn is 
He fires out $90 pretty quickly and gets very quiet -- he usually talks a lot when making bets ("I have to bet this" when he flops the nuts, or, "you know you're calling," or "no shame in folding," stuff like that.)
This bet and his silence creeps me out, as I've seen him make absurd bets like $5 into $60 pots when he wants someone to play back, and blocking bets when he wants to get to the next street.
My guess is he has a small flush and wants to know where I stand -- seems like an easy fold when he's leading into me when he knows I must be strong, and now I regret not overbet/shipping it on the flop.
Played fine now fold?
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pokerfan
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200BB deep, im shoving over all day twice on sunday. 350bb deep, i think that i'd flat and soul read on the river.  BTW, if i played this hand, i'd pop up to 100-120 dollars on the flop and shove on the turn which makes my life much easier.
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Fnord
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Put all the money in.
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baudib
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Hmmm, I'm surprised you guys are so emphatic about putting it in, I thought his flop continuing range has so many flush draws in it.
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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Fnord
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He opened UTG and is taking the lead in the hand.
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KoRnholio
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Looks like an overpair to me. Judging by his demeanor, probably not with a heart either.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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baudib
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i'll have to re-evaluate my play against him, and maybe avoid him in the future.
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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sexualbanana
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It's not a great board, but I think you should've raised more on the flop. If he is on a draw, you've just given him about 2.9:1 (if my adding is right). My personal preference would've been in the $100-range.
As played, I think he has an overpair and reads you for 2-pair. It's conceivable that he called your bet on the flop thinking he has 1 Q (discounted if he thinks you might have J8) AND 9 scare-cards. He could see your raise as a way to protect his hand against flush cards and he'll be willing to bet out any flush thinking you'd be able to lay it down to a scary board.
I'm in agreeance with everyone else. I think shoving would be the best move as played.
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baudib
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Thanks for all your input, I was really surprised by this one but in re-evaluating it, it is possible that you guys are correct. I tried stoving this and playing with various ranges, it looks like I am a small favorite against a range of one-pair hands with a heart as well as some made flushes.
I really tanked on this and tried to figure out where I was here. Yes I agree the flop raise was on the smallish side, but I put him on one pair or air and I really did expect him to lay down all his overpairs -- he prides himself on not getting married to big starting hands and i've not often played back at him without the goods.
So that's why I put his continuing range on a lot of flush draws, even though he is opening in EP I put various suited broadways and SCs in his range. It is possible that the pot was big enough that he decided he was going to try to outplay me. The problem as I see it is that he has to figure I could be raising the flop with QhJh or 9h8h type hands so the heart should have been as scary to him as it was to me, and I know that he knew I was strong and he shouldn't expect me to make many folds on the turn.
but yeah, if I make a bigger raise on the flop it becomes a simple matter of shipping it on the turn.
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