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pokerroomace
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07-27-2007, 06:29 PM
Post subject: You can win more at $400 than $1000NL?
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i found this is in a google search. is it correct?
http://www.pokertips.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43881
this is the important part of the post:
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NL25: 5PTBB/100 or less 6-9PTBB/100; 10PTBB/100 or more (max at around 20)
NL50: 4PTBB/100 or less 5-8PTBB/100; 9PTBB/100 or more (max at around 16)
NL100: 3PTBB/100 or less 4-7PTBB/100; 8PTBB/100 or more (max at around 14)
NL200: 2PTBB/100 or less 3-5PTBB/100; 5PTBB/100 or more (max at around 10)
NL400: 1PTBB/100 or less 1-2PTBB/100; 3PTBB/100 or more (max at around 6)
NL1000: A rate of 1PTBB/100 is very very good. 2 is about the max possible. Some people claim more but thats usually unheard of.
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if so, what is the point of moving from $400NL to $600NL to $1kNL?
2ptbb/100 hands at $1kNL is $40/100 hands.
6ptbb/100 hands at $400NL is $48/100 hands.
what's the point of moving up?
to improve your game so that you can win more in future when you play $2kNL and $5kNL?
or is this post inaccurate?
also, i'm running at 11.5ptbb/100 hands at $400NL over 13.5k hands. i probably couldn't keep winning at this rate, but i still feel my true winrate is over 6ptbb/100 hands at $400NL and i'm not even the best $400NL player at party.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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This site is just stupid. I know someone who 12 tables 1k NL and has about a 2BB/100 winrate over a really large sample. With 4-tables i'm sure he could do at least 4. And i don't think he'd consider himself the best 1kNL player on stars, at all.
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wufwugy
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10ptbb at 25nl and 8 at 100nl are the same??? el oh el, el dee oh.
I wouldn't be surprised if zero 100nl regs could maintain 6ptbb. I'll be surprised if I do for 30k hands. And 25nl is waaaay easier.
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sauce123
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plz plz plz tell me u arent that guy who x posted this all over 2p2 as well
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Halv
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07-28-2007, 03:40 AM
Post subject: Re: You can win more at $400 than $1000NL?
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Originally Posted by pokerroomace
also, i'm running at 11.5ptbb/100 hands at $400NL over 13.5k hands. i probably couldn't keep winning at this rate, but i still feel my true winrate is over 6ptbb/100 hands at $400NL and i'm not even the best $400NL player at party.
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Reconsider after 100k more hands. I'm not saying it's impossible, there are people beating party 400NL for 8 ptbb/100 over 200k-ish samples, but you might wanna be prepared for it not to be so easy.
Edit: on-topic, I can definitely win more at $400 than $1k, my game doesn't seem good enough to beat 1k yet.
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EzDuzIt
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most player's hourly rate maxes out at 50nl, and for top players 100nl.
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Halv
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Most players' hourly rates are negative.
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
Most players' hourly rates are negative.
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am I getting leveled?
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
Most players' hourly rates are negative.
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am I getting leveled? |
no, most people who play poker have an hourly rate of losing money.
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EzDuzIt
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
Most players' hourly rates are negative.
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am I getting leveled? |
no, most people who play poker have an hourly rate of losing money. |
lol, no. statistics show that 58% of people have a positive hourly rate.
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I cna't see for the life of me how this can be right. I have 14,000 or so players in my PT database and 61% of them are losing players.
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loloTrickedU had a hourly rate of over 2k 8-10 tabling Party 2kNLHE.
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loloTrickedU had a hourly rate of over 2k 8-10 tabling Party 2kNLHE.
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I'm betting Bldswttrs has an even bigger one.
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EzDuzIt
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I cna't see for the life of me how this can be right. I have 14,000 or so players in my PT database and 61% of them are losing players.
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lol, are people still replying to me for real or am i just getting releveled or something. i cant tell anymore.
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this is like the dumbest thread ever
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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pokerroomace
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
10ptbb at 25nl and 8 at 100nl are the same??? el oh el, el dee oh.
I wouldn't be surprised if zero 100nl regs could maintain 6ptbb. I'll be surprised if I do for 30k hands. And 25nl is waaaay easier.
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you think?
i thought this guy was underestimating and you think he's overestimating?
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plz plz plz tell me u arent that guy who x posted this all over 2p2 as well
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sorry. but it was me. if it's any consolation i don't do it often. i posted it on ftr and then i thought there were way more $1kNL players on 2p2 so i posted it there.
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this is like the dumbest thread ever
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why? this is a crucial question. if the post is correct then i'd rather play $400NL than $1kNL!
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EzDuzIt
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the author of this was probably just pulling numbers out of his ass, and is clearly retarded.
but i would say 6ptbb or more is possible at 100nl. but players who are good enough arent staying there long or playing it anymore.
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wufwugy
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
10ptbb at 25nl and 8 at 100nl are the same??? el oh el, el dee oh.
I wouldn't be surprised if zero 100nl regs could maintain 6ptbb. I'll be surprised if I do for 30k hands. And 25nl is waaaay easier.
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you think?
i thought this guy was underestimating and you think he's overestimating? |
I'm always forgetting that shorthanded exists. I was referring to fullring exclusively. I'd consider myself the best 100NL FR reg if I could maintain 6ptbb.
But that's pointless to accomplish since I'll move up before that.
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
10ptbb at 25nl and 8 at 100nl are the same??? el oh el, el dee oh.
I wouldn't be surprised if zero 100nl regs could maintain 6ptbb. I'll be surprised if I do for 30k hands. And 25nl is waaaay easier.
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you think?
i thought this guy was underestimating and you think he's overestimating? |
I'm always forgetting that shorthanded exists. I was referring to fullring exclusively. I'd consider myself the best 100NL FR reg if I could maintain 6ptbb.
But that's pointless to accomplish since I'll move up before that. |
yay wufwugy! Thank you for being a person who isnt delusional about winrates
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sauce123
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if anyone believes the OP have any validity whatsoever they clearly dont have the logical reasoning skills to play past 400nl.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Harry
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I run about 3ptbb/100 at 2/4 and I'm not very good.
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PSU Class of 2011 weeeeeeee!
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wufwugy
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yay wufwugy! Thank you for being a person who isnt delusional about winrates
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Best winrate I've come across for the relatively recent 200nl fullring games was 2p2er Phresh's ~4.5ptbb for ~200k hands. Don't know his 2/4 3/6 fullring winrate is, but he's likely one of the best regs on Stars at those limits now.
I'm running at 7ptbb at 100nl fullring for 20k hands. WOOOO
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sauce123
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i have empirical evidence that strongly suggests i can make more at 1k nl
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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pokerroomace
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Originally Posted by sauce123
i have empirical evidence that strongly suggests i can make more at 1k nl
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thank you. that's the answer i was looking for.
btw. i just wana brag. i'm running at 12.5ptbb/100hands over 14.5k hands at $400NL Party.
i know i can't maintain that and have been on a massive rush.
i'm having another ago at $600NL now. way less tables to play at tho
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