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griffey24

06-25-2008, 04:59 AM Post subject: valuetowning myself?... 2/5 pounds

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Hand 1:

-villain is a solid tagg reg
-our history is that he has seen me triple barrel him several times the last week or so and he has never called one of them, and folded all river third barrels
-I haven't shown many bluffs, but he is on a few of my tables. At some of these tables I am in a 3-betting spewing battle with another guy and am showing up with trashy hands and playing pretty splashy. He maaay think I'm tilting.. but not sure.
-This river is pretty crappy that a lot of marginal hands might check through. I decided to bet almost pot to rep a bluff of sorts and get called light
-too thin?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
3 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $627
SB: $637
BB: $1650

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is Button with

Hero raises to $20, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop:

($42, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB calls.

Turn:

($102, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $70, BB calls.

River:

($242, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $230, BB calls.

Hand 2:
-Not that many hands on villain but he's running 23/11/1.25 over a few hundred hands
-I bet this turn probably about 90% of the time, but decided to check here
-River raise standard? too thin?

Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $519
CO: $753.74
Button: $632
SB: $654.20
BB: $771.52

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with

Hero raises to $20, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop:

($45, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30, SB calls.

Turn:

($105, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River:

($105, 2 players)
SB bets $55, Hero raises to $140

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zook

06-25-2008, 05:47 AM

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I think you're turning your hand into a bluff in both cases.

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06-25-2008, 07:25 AM

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1 is too thin, he's gonna show up with a bunch more hands than 87/77/76 (which may often fold river), and they all beat you.

2 i dont think is turning your hand into a bluff but i think 5x calls you more than Ax does.

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06-25-2008, 11:18 AM

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First one is too thin but I like your bet sizing.
Second one I like.

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06-25-2008, 10:53 PM

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hand 1 too thin

hand 2 what was your reason for checking turn? as played, I like river. You are not repping much and people never believe you when you check back turn.

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06-25-2008, 11:30 PM

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1- too thin b/c I think a lot of kickers are beating you and are often calling, and also he has a lot of 5x in his range or two pair. If u had A8 or 99 it would be somewhat better. Even if you had those hands, I prefer a smaller size maybe 190.

2- bet turn. As played minraise river ftw

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06-26-2008, 07:44 AM

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These might or might not be too thin, but I like them both for mixing it up. You often get called by worse in both cases by players who are trying to own you. The worse you think your image is, the more I like these.

You should never check behind the turn in hand 2.

griffey24

06-26-2008, 12:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

You should never check behind the turn in hand 2.

People seem hung up on this turn check, and to that I say:

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

-I bet this turn probably about 90% of the time, but decided to check here

I rarely check behind this turn. But, I think you should never "never check back this turn" cause that's not really good either!

I agree with P4's though that if hand 1 is too thin, it's kind of a value bluff. Better hands call often, worse hands call sometimes, and it could be decent for image and merging your triple barreling range.

pocketfours

06-26-2008, 01:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

I rarely check behind this turn. But, I think you should never "never check back this turn" cause that's not really good either!

Why is it not good? I bet that turn with close to 100% of my range, so I don't see why I should sometimes check behind a good ace. Occasionally checking behind with a good ace takes away credibility from your barrels and so I would never check behind here and I don't see why that is bad.

griffey24

06-26-2008, 01:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

I rarely check behind this turn. But, I think you should never "never check back this turn" cause that's not really good either!

If villain is a good hand reader, it should be clear that our range for betting this turn is predominantly only one pair aces (that can't handle much heat), or air. Whereas villain has two pairs, aces and straights in his range. If we are always betting here, he should be c/r'ing that card all day based on both of our ranges alone.

How do you handle a c/r on this turn?

pocketfours

06-26-2008, 02:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

I totally agree that a c/r is a good play here for villain and it's difficult to defend against that. Against an aggro opponent I would check behind here more often to polarize, but still never with AQ.

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