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Old 09-08-2006, 01:46 PM     Post subject: two sets OOP vs a very good player #1 (permalink)  
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For those that dont know he seems to be amongst the top 3 playrs on pacific. He's not that tricky but a really good hand reader. My image in his eyes is probably quite Taggy but he's seen me do some crazy shit too, mostly PF though.

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$10/$20 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 09 08 03:07:54 2006
Table Excalibur 1066 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Phatigue ( $3386 )
Seat 4: logbil ( $1448.5 )
Seat 5: wooder2 ( $1602 )
Seat 6: kogo9 ( $12937.5 )
Seat 8: vinny76 ( $1890 )
Seat 9: Saalis ( $2032 )
vinny76 posts small blind [$10].
Saalis posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Saalis [ 8c 8d ]
Phatigue raises [$80].
logbil calls [$80].
wooder2 folds.
kogo9 calls [$80].
vinny76 folds.
Saalis calls [$60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 10c, 8h ]
Saalis checks.
Phatigue bets [$175].
logbil folds.
kogo9 calls [$175].
Saalis raises [$600].
Phatigue calls [$425].
kogo9 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
Saalis checks.
Phatigue checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
Saalis bets [$1352].
Phatigue folds.
** Summary **
Saalis collected [$3053].


***** Pacific Hand History for Game 4739108 *****
$10/$20 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 09 08 03:04:28 2006
Table Partagas Lonsdales (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Phatigue ( $1806 )
Seat 4: gbernard ( $1480 )
Seat 5: jtchamp4 ( $2607 )
Seat 6: kogo9 ( $5092 )
Seat 7: wooder2 ( $4308 )
Seat 8: Saalis ( $2086 )
gbernard posts small blind [$10].
jtchamp4 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Saalis [ 9c 9s ]
kogo9 raises [$80].
wooder2 folds.
Saalis calls [$80].
Phatigue calls [$80].
gbernard folds.
jtchamp4 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 2s, 4h ]
kogo9 checks.
Saalis checks.
Phatigue bets [$150].
kogo9 folds.
Saalis calls [$150].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
Saalis checks.
Phatigue bets [$300].
Saalis raises [$800].
Phatigue folds.
** Summary **
Saalis collected [$1666].
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Old 09-08-2006, 02:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 leading the flop seems better in hand one

maybe a 1/2 pot blocking bet in hand 2 (if he's a good player he'll put you on 55,66,88 a weak nine or a flush draw and he might even raise you with air)
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 yep i think you should call and lead the turn for 1/2 pot in hand 2, in hand one i think your river bet is too big if he is that good of a hand reader-it really looks like youve got a set and if you get any action he probably has you pwned.
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Old 09-12-2006, 09:13 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 i don't play close to these stakes but penguin every time I've seen you post a set hand you always checkraise?
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1) I like to lead the flop. What was your plan on the turn? Were you trying to c/r again?

2) Raising the flop conceals your hand better does it not?
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Old 09-13-2006, 11:45 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I dont always check-raise, just posting the hands that I have played bad or weird.

I was going for a double CR but I guess that given the board it was a bad idea. (its better with an obvious draw, that missed)
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Old 09-14-2006, 02:13 PM #7 (permalink)  
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My line vrs phatigue is to bet hard from the time I hit...he has called me down quite a lot of time. But then I withdrew my money from there after loosing 7 of the 12k I made the past 3 weeks...Like u said he is rarely tricky and while a good hand reader he has lost a few k to me calling me down with top pair. Ie I would not check raise...I'd go ahead and just raise...
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Old 09-14-2006, 02:35 PM #8 (permalink)  
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you took the lines that a really good hand reader will see as strong hands. maybe you should try making bluffs like these more vs him.
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if he's a really good hand reader then check/call check/raise is a bad line since that's never speculative.

I'd lead with top set when the PFR checks to you.

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if he's a really good hand reader then check/call check/raise is a bad line since that's never speculative.
thats why you start doing it without sets
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Old 09-15-2006, 08:13 AM #11 (permalink)  
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He's starting to play quite nitty and I have been bluffing him a ton lately.

I was playing nl1k against you Aquinas and IMO you were playing way too loose. Not sure how you normally play though.
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