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Alexos
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12-09-2007, 08:46 PM
Post subject: Turned flush vs whale, but he shoves?
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Whale, running 40/15 or something. He shoves turns for 6x pot with A5 on T852 boards, he raises pf with AT, I shove for a full buyin, he instacalls...This was at 500nl, now he moved up and so have I. Who folds this?
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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $615
UTG+1: $2443.50
CO: $7366.25
Button: $2049
Hero: $1980
BB: $5634.50
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with  
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.
Flop:    ($80, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $60, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG raises to $160, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.
Turn:  ($560, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 is all-in $2263.5, Hero ?????
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IowaSkinsFan
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given description i snap it.
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zook
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12-09-2007, 10:39 PM
Post subject: Re: Turned flush vs whale, but he shoves?
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Originally Posted by Alexos
Who folds this?
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Not me.
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Alexos
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But even whales see flushes no? And flop action is kinda wierd, bet,call,RR,call,call?
Meh I realise the hand is not that interesting, just wondering if anyone would fold this...
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IowaSkinsFan
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12-10-2007, 12:16 AM
Post subject: Re: Turned flush vs whale, but he shoves?
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Originally Posted by Alexos
Whale, running 40/15 or something. He shoves turns for 6x pot with A5 on T852 boards
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pocketfours
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First of all, fold pre, fold flop.
Turn is just sick, but I can't say what I would do, because I wouldn't put myself in this spot. Did you call the flop TWICE so you would fold when your flush hits? Probably not, so call here and then blame your play on earlier streets if he has you beat.
Your hand is obviously total garbage here if that's unclear in any way, and your flop play certainly does not indicate a made hand.
Did you consider the possibility that he is bluffing because he knows that you know that he knows that you have a flush and he is representing the nuts with Ah8c and 11 outs?
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Alexos
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12-10-2007, 03:49 AM
Post subject: Re: Turned flush vs whale, but he shoves?
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Originally Posted by Alexos
Whale, running 40/15 or something. He shoves turns for 6x pot with A5 on T852 boards
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yeaaaaa but this is a FLUSH, fish see flushies!!
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
First of all, fold pre, fold flop.
Turn is just sick, but I can't say what I would do, because I wouldn't put myself in this spot. Did you call the flop TWICE so you would fold when your flush hits? Probably not, so call here and then blame your play on earlier streets if he has you beat.
Your hand is obviously total garbage here if that's unclear in any way, and your flop play certainly does not indicate a made hand.
Did you consider the possibility that he is bluffing because he knows that you know that he knows that you have a flush and he is representing the nuts with Ah8c and 11 outs?
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If this isn't a joke... did you read description of opp?
Given description i dont mind flop at all. Preflop is fine though i think, its definetely not enough of a mistake to be making a big deal out of it.
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Alexos
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
Did you consider the possibility that he is bluffing because he knows that you know that he knows that you have a flush and he is representing the nuts with Ah8c and 11 outs?
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Nah, not even a remote possibility he thinks to this level. He would shove Ah though, and I guess that makes my hands a call...
All your other points are valid.
He had Jh5h, and the other guy overcalled with the nutflush.
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well considering you actually posted this i'm not surprised about the results
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
If this isn't a joke... did you read description of opp?
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It's a joke of course ISF.
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Alexos
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lol
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dont fold pre or fold flop and definitely dont fold turn
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I agree that this is a snap call given villain for sure. What do people think about leading the turn for $300-400ish given how week our flush is, as opposed to checking the hand 3way?
I think leading could be better. All sets/two pairs will probably check through 3-way anyhow, and we definitely don't wanna give free cards here.
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Originally Posted by griffey24
I agree that this is a snap call given villain for sure. What do people think about leading the turn for $300-400ish given how week our flush is, as opposed to checking the hand 3way?
I think leading could be better. All sets/two pairs will probably check through 3-way anyhow, and we definitely don't wanna give free cards here.
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I like a lead here as well (b/f against decent opponent).
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given description i think preflop is good.
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this is a trivially easy call against this player it seems
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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