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View Poll Results: What play gets the most value in long term?
Cold calling then forcing an all-in on turn	5	38.46%
All-in on flop, they'll call anyways!	2	15.38%
Min-raise to $300	6	46.15%
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TT - Post Flop Too Aggressive?

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allLiving

11-24-2005, 08:02 AM Post subject: TT - Post Flop Too Aggressive?

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Spong and Jsvilla are pretty loose with their range of cards and preflop. JSvilla had just lost a big pot too.

FullTiltPoker Game #305785158: Table Brazilnut (6 max) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:39:15 ET - 2005/11/24
Seat 1: allLiving ($1,176.70)
Seat 2: TiltMaster94 ($201.20)
Seat 3: jleclair10 ($153)
Seat 4: spongato ($265.80)
Seat 5: jsvilla2323 ($431.20)
Seat 6: Pohaku ($954.35)
allLiving: vnh
TiltMaster94 posts the small blind of $3
jleclair10 posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allLiving [Th Tc]
spongato calls $6
jsvilla2323 calls $6
Pohaku folds
allLiving raises to $32
TiltMaster94 folds
jleclair10 calls $26
spongato calls $26
jsvilla2323 calls $26
*** FLOP *** [4c Td 5c]
jleclair10 checks
spongato bets $150
jsvilla2323 calls $150
allLiving raises to $1,144.70, and is all in
allLiving: you're all toast.
jleclair10 has 15 seconds left to act
allLiving: not even kidding

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naturaltan

11-24-2005, 03:07 PM

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3-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jun 2005

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I've thought about this very situation ... is going all in a 'tactic'? Raising $300 would have put remaining players all in, correct? So is going all in sort of a scare tactic?

Just curious, but is the "you're toast" comment meant to entice the rest to call?

AHiltz

11-24-2005, 03:15 PM

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4-of-a-Kind

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Location: Coldbrook, NS

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Pushing is good, since it looks like a bluff, or overs that don't want action. But why the hell are you typing that in the chat?

biondino

11-24-2005, 04:16 PM

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Going all in is very much a tactic at the lowest levels but surely, it can't be here. Can it?

lamaros

11-24-2005, 05:25 PM

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Flush

Join Date: Jul 2005

Posts: 346

Eh. One other guy is AI for another 80, the other for 300. The guy behind is basicly AI if he calls the 150...

I don't think you can really play this wrongly.

I'd make it 500 though. AI looks ugly!

allLiving

11-24-2005, 05:30 PM

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Full House

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Oh yes, as for my chat, I typed that because beforehand I had made a similar comment like "I cant lose this hand!" and that was when I was bluffing, and JSvilla called it. It wasnt a huge bluff but he won the hand after I said that in chat.

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allLiving

11-24-2005, 05:38 PM

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Full House

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Here are the results

jleclair10 folds
spongato calls $83.80, and is all in
jsvilla2323 calls $249.20, and is all in
allLiving shows [Th Tc]
spongato shows [8c 7c]
jsvilla2323 shows [6c 2c]
Uncalled bet of $745.50 returned to allLiving
*** TURN *** [4c Td 5c] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [4c Td 5c 2s] [As]
jleclair10: folded jacks'
allLiving shows three of a kind, Tens
jsvilla2323 shows a pair of Twos
allLiving wins the side pot ($330.80) with three of a kind, Tens
spongato shows Ace Ten high
allLiving wins the main pot ($829.40) with three of a kind, Tens
spongato is sitting out
jsvilla2323 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,163.20 Main pot $832.40. Side pot $330.80. | Rake $3
Board: [4c Td 5c 2s As]
Seat 1: allLiving (button) showed [Th Tc] and won ($1,160.20) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 2: TiltMaster94 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: jleclair10 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: spongato showed [8c 7c] and lost with Ace Ten high
Seat 5: jsvilla2323 showed [6c 2c] and lost with a pair of Twos
Seat 6: Pohaku didn't bet (folded)

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