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08-29-2005, 09:35 AM
Post subject: trying to cut a living playing poker
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What up FTR. I have been playing hold'em online for about an year now, learning the game through reading Sklansky books and posts on FTR and 2+2 and I'm proud to say that I've been a winning player since March of this year. I have went from playing $.5/$1 limit for the 1st 3 months, switching over to $25 NL and from there have been steadily playing higher stakes in NL. Sites such as pokerlistings.com and bonuswhores.com were of great help to me in deciding what cardroom to play in, and what bonuses to play for. Going through cardrooms clearing bonuses has provided me valuable experience playing against a diverse population of people, and I would recommend "bonus whoring" to any beginning online player looking to hone their chops.
I have made over 8k in the last 50 days, which to many on this site probably isn't much, but to a college student with bills to pay and loans to return it is a nice chunk of change. I feel that I am improving everyday- just last week I have moved up to $400 NL at PartyPoker and within a day was killing the stake, so I decided to make a run at it at the $2000 NL and was met with success there, which I did not expect since I was playing scared. My profits have increased exponentially in the last few weeks, even I find it hard to believe that I am getting that much better in so short of a period. The last few days I have been pushing myself to make a grand a day, and I am finding it to be a very attainable goal. 400 NL is my bread and butter, but I also play 600 NL, 1000 NL and 2000 NL when I see a soft table or if I'm looking for a challenge.
Right now I am taking a semester off from school, for financial and motivational reasons and am devoting much of my time "working" on PartyPoker primarily. I am not quite old enough to enter a casino legally in the U.S., so I will be sticking to playing online poker until the end of this year.
I am making this post to get feedback from those out there who make a living playing high-stakes NL, and I would like to hear your experience on how you got to where you are as a poker pro. What are the pitfalls of being a high-stakes NL player? Is it profitable to convert to live games even though you're playing less hands per hour? When do you have to start paying taxes on what you make online or in a casino? How are you investing your earnings? Should I be smoking less pot when I'm playing? Any advice would be appreciated.
By the way, if anyone is interested, I will pay money for a good PartyPoker buddy list, granted that the people on your list are fish who play $400 NL or higher and that the list is new.
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Aquinas
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Not that I'm a poker pro...but what is your bankroll? Before you put all your eggs into this basket you need to have a bankroll that can soak up a few cold months. The bankroll suggestions often given do not assume you are playing for food money. Also I'd want to be a winning player for a few years before really trusting it. Poker is a high variance game and you might have had a hot last 6 months. That said, congrats on your success and good luck. (I've had a similar nice run--+12k these past 2 weeks and 17k this summer, but I still think my risk of ruin is too high to quit my 9 to 5...)
Also education has other perks than getting you a job...but if you don't like what your studying maybe your move is the right one.
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08-29-2005, 01:55 PM
Post subject: Re: trying to cut a living playing poker
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Full House
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Should I be smoking less pot when I'm playing? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Yes. It sure doesnt ever help me.
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..But drinkin some alcohol helps you to relax when playing the final stages of MTT's.
seriously, here are some common pitfalls: playing above your BR, I would say keep at least 20 buy-ins, do not play stakes too high for you, go up stake by stake, at least I just couldnt handle playing nl2000 yet, makes me play scared, and my stomach hurt.
I personally wouldnt quit school before going pro, becoming a professional later is a whole different thing. This especially just after playing for some months..
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"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20
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im not that high yet, but im planning on it sooner or later, however congrads on the nice run, but just be ready for the bad months, and smoking pot sure aint gonna help the situation when it happens...just be ready for it and dont tilt it all off on 2000 nl...
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back looking to make some moolah
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gabe
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..But drinkin some alcohol helps you to relax when playing the final stages of MTT's.
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if i've been drinking and i have a short stack late in a mtt, look out for gabefish
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gabe also likes sitting at microlimit seven stud tables with a ridiculsouly deep stack. But onyl when plastered.
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bringing 3000bb to a .25/50 7cs table just made sense at the time.
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some people play well while high. the one time i played an mtt high, i took first out of about 100 people and had the best reads of my life and was able to make great calls/laydowns. but on the other hand i've also tried playing when too high and it didn't go so well. this is something you have to figure out for youself i'd say.
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Aquinas
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seriously, here are some common pitfalls: playing above your BR, I would say keep at least 20 buy-ins,..
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This is nowhere near enough if poker is your primary source of income. At some point you are fairly likely to bust if that's all u have. Maybe I'm conservative...but I'd suggest at least some 60k or so before playing even 400 nl as my only income. 'Course where I live getting an appartment is a real toughie, so you do not want to get thrown out for missing rent, and rebuilding a bankroll on a 9-5 is also tough. (I live in stockholm)
Personally I'll keep my dayjobs (as a mathematician and actor) until 2 criteria are met: 1--I am bored with it.
2--I have 200k +
At the moment, none are even on the horizon.
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When I'm drunk I play .25/.50 omaha hi/lo because that may be the best drinking game ever
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Dealer: bencathers has two pair, Aces and Deuces
Dealer: Tbags has two pair, Kings and Jacks
Dealer: Tbags finished the tournament in 256th place
Tbags [observer]: another scumbag gets there on this site lol
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Aqionas, 60k for nl400?? 150 buy-ins?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? I know that playing it safe is good but come on! That way you are only hurting yourself not to make any money. 30 buy-ins is my best and final offer!
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Personally I'll keep my dayjobs (as a mathematician and actor) ...
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What a combo...
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Aquinas
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"Aqionas, 60k for nl400?? 150 buy-ins?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? "
No, I'm not. Not if it's ur only income. 30 buyins is fine if u aren't reliant on the money. But if it's ur food money...I guess we have different notions of risktaking though...It has happened that I've lost 10 buyins str8. If all u have is 30, that would force u to move down in stakes...which u cannot do since u need to earn ur food and rent money! 'Course if you have family and friends willing to stake u if all goes bad, it's another story. Haha...a friend of mine asked if he could do that. He wanted to stake me for highstakes MTTs and get 80% of any profit.
"What a combo..."
It's a good one! Just started a new show here in Stockholm.
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10k baby. Playing more of the step SNGs at PartyPoker, those can potentially be very profitable.
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PO$$E$$ED
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So what should someone trying to make a living playing no-limit be averaging in terms of BB/100 hands (PT BB)? Right now I'm averaging 12BB/100 at 400NL, but I know that figure could be worked on. I was wondering whether it's possible to maintain 20BB/100 (or higher) at these stakes, and would like to hear from those that are pulling it off, I know you're out there.
I've been doing well overall, but today I took some nasty beats at the 1000NL tables, losing 2 stacks in a matter of minutes. I lost one stack with kings, when this guy with eights misclicked and accidentally called my hefty preflop raise, flopping a set. Then I lost another stack 5 minutes later when someone caught a flush on me after I flopped a set of jacks. Frustrating day, to say the least, but hey, those badbeats and suckouts are only going to make me stronger as a poker player...right?
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So what should someone trying to make a living playing no-limit be averaging in terms of BB/100 hands (PT BB)? Right now I'm averaging 12BB/100 at 400NL, but I know that figure could be worked on. I was wondering whether it's possible to maintain 20BB/100 (or higher) at these stakes, and would like to hear from those that are pulling it off, I know you're out there.
I've been doing well overall, but today I took some nasty beats at the 1000NL tables, losing 2 stacks in a matter of minutes. I lost one stack with kings, when this guy with eights misclicked and accidentally called my hefty preflop raise, flopping a set. Then I lost another stack 5 minutes later when someone caught a flush on me after I flopped a set of jacks. Frustrating day, to say the least, but hey, those badbeats and suckouts are only going to make me stronger as a poker player...right?
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12BB/100 is really good. 20bb/100 isn't realistic. Sucks about your beats, but at least you know there's still stupid people out there willing to donate money!
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He who drinks beer sleeps well.
He who sleeps well cannot sin.
He who does not sin goes to Heaven.
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Possessed i think i was in the same boat as you a month ago. Im a junior in college and was up about 20k between 600 and 1000 nl since the start of the semester. You have to be careful overplaying your bankroll as i think that was the cause of my recent downturn. I lost a 5k pot to a flush draw 3 handed when i had top two pair, and i realized that my roll of 16K at the time couldn't handle me playing the way i needed to play to be successful at 1000nl. I couldn't afford to push marginal edges like i could at 400nl a month earlier and it really stunted my growth as a poker player as i began to fear playing hands an such. From a kid who's lost about 10k in the last month off pretty bad beats/overplaying my bankroll, i think its best for you to stay at 400nl while taking occasional shots at 600. 1000+nl i found to be just to volatile of swings with only 15-20K as a bankroll. 4 decent losses and ur roll looks like a hung over college kid. Even if you can't make as much in one day at 400, the game is easier and it'll allow you to build more confidence for the higher limits along with your roll. I see the post was a while ago how is the roll since then?
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So what should someone trying to make a living playing no-limit be averaging in terms of BB/100 hands (PT BB)? Right now I'm averaging 12BB/100 at 400NL, but I know that figure could be worked on. I was wondering whether it's possible to maintain 20BB/100 (or higher) at these stakes, and would like to hear from those that are pulling it off, I know you're out there.
I've been doing well overall, but today I took some nasty beats at the 1000NL tables, losing 2 stacks in a matter of minutes. I lost one stack with kings, when this guy with eights misclicked and accidentally called my hefty preflop raise, flopping a set. Then I lost another stack 5 minutes later when someone caught a flush on me after I flopped a set of jacks. Frustrating day, to say the least, but hey, those badbeats and suckouts are only going to make me stronger as a poker player...right?
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12BB/100 is really good. 20bb/100 isn't realistic. Sucks about your beats, but at least you know there's still stupid people out there willing to donate money!
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5 big bets/100 hands is killing that game 12bb/100 is definately not sustainable and there is debate as to whether even 5bb/100 is sustainable over the long run.
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Originally Posted by PO$$E$$ED
So what should someone trying to make a living playing no-limit be averaging in terms of BB/100 hands (PT BB)? Right now I'm averaging 12BB/100 at 400NL, but I know that figure could be worked on. I was wondering whether it's possible to maintain 20BB/100 (or higher) at these stakes, and would like to hear from those that are pulling it off, I know you're out there.
I've been doing well overall, but today I took some nasty beats at the 1000NL tables, losing 2 stacks in a matter of minutes. I lost one stack with kings, when this guy with eights misclicked and accidentally called my hefty preflop raise, flopping a set. Then I lost another stack 5 minutes later when someone caught a flush on me after I flopped a set of jacks. Frustrating day, to say the least, but hey, those badbeats and suckouts are only going to make me stronger as a poker player...right?
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12BB/100 is really good. 20bb/100 isn't realistic. Sucks about your beats, but at least you know there's still stupid people out there willing to donate money!
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5 big bets/100 hands is killing that game 12bb/100 is definately not sustainable and there is debate as to whether even 5bb/100 is sustainable over the long run.
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I just read this post again today, and I have no idea where in the hell I pulled those numbers from
Hows it going for you as well bmx?
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He who drinks beer sleeps well.
He who sleeps well cannot sin.
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Bmxicle
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I'm experiencing marginal results (pretty much break even over 5k hands or so on party) at 1000nl, but sngs, noble poker 1000nl and 600nl on party are going well.
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thats good to hear. i cant wait to play 600nl. Party 1k 6max doesnt sound so easy these days...
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He who drinks beer sleeps well.
He who sleeps well cannot sin.
He who does not sin goes to Heaven.
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Smoking Pot while playing poker gets me in the zone.
I swear I think way more indepth about plays, in turn I play way smarter.
Granted if I never played poker stoned I'd probably play better than I do now.
Oh well I like smoking that sticky icky icky..
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Currently Playing 8 Tables of 25NL 10-Max.
Or
2 Tables of 100NL 10-Max
Current Bankroll: $625
Goal: To stop pulling $$$ out of my bankroll and build it up to 1k.
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I've been playing medium stakes No Limit Holdem full time for a while now. I'm also going to be taking a semester off school, moving probably, and perhaps pursuing poker as a career.
I recommend playing other games as well if you want to play full time. It's much more fun, and you develop a better overall understanding of the game.
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Been playing mostly 1k 6-max at Party the last few weeks, running 6BB/100. I've been putting in less hours at the tables as I've moved up in stakes, haven't been able to grind as hard as I used to...
I've experienced 7k swings over the course of a day twice now,
the variance playing the 2k tables were too wild for my bankroll so I'm sticking with the 1k ring games for now. Doing well overall, but lately I've realized I've become more prone to tilt, so I took up Lederer's advice and started meditating before my sessions. My roll is hovering around 25k right now, it should be much more but I'm dumb and dumb people do dumb things with their bankroll, like buying into a $500 step SNG when stupendously stoned and playing Battlefield 2 (first person shooter) while simultaneously playing said SNG.
Also, Bmxcicle, when you say 12BB/100 is not sustainable, are you referring to pokertracker BB's (BB multiplied by 2)? I've sustained close to 14BB/100 multi-tabling 100NL at InterPoker, I know it's possible to sustain over 12BB/100 playing solid at the small stakes.
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I've been tilting kinda hard the last few days, making donkey moves when I know I'm behind and shit. To fix this problem I came up with a brilliant plan that would deter me from falling prey to said phenomena. Every time I get all steamy during a session and lose a stack, I will make a post in this thread describing the occurence. After I make the tenth post, I will give $100 to the first person who posts a minimum 450-word essay on tilt(personal experiences with, how to avoid, how to identify etc.). That's right, the first poster who responds to my tenth post (the count starts with the next post I make) with an essay over 450 words on the tilt phenomena wins a hundred dollars. If the first poster's essay is truly craptastic, I will give the prize to the runnerup.
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Whahahahahahahah
AOK SAID - but since i posted it do i get the 100 or at least 50 50. Pretty Please 
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How does knowing "the psychology of losing" help you? You're going to win!! Well, there's psychology there too, but that's for another post. It helps because if you know what subliminal drivers kick in when you lose then you're better prepared to address and combat them, which will decrease your loses. I'm not a psychologist, but I play on online. Enjoy!
Losing is relative. The psychological effects kick in at different times for different people, based on your tolerance and history. Someone with a $1000 bankroll who loses a $5 tournament with a bad beat as an isolated incident won't blink. The same loss to someone else may put them on serious TILT. For instance, if you have a $49 bankroll, that WAS a $100 bankroll and you need to witdraw your money before your wife finds out, but the site won't let you withdraw less than $50, plus this is your 5th "bad beat" in a row, etc. Then it's a mortal lock that psychology will come into play.
The basic psychological and physiological reaction to losing:
Boiled down to it's absolute essence, losing Hurts! Not in an abstract way, but in a very real way. It makes your stomach churn, changes your blood pressure, constricts thousands of muscles and causes physical and mental anguish. Throw emotion on top of that and you have The Psychology of Losing. It's real, we've all felt it, and it's no fun.
So what?
So this... when humans experience pain and discomfort we want to make it GO AWAY!! How do we do that? You're sitting in front of the computer so you click into another game as fast as possible. The best way to make the pain of losing go away is to WIN!! And you want to win as quickly as possible. Add to that the fact that you're still kicking yourself for losing (whether justified or not)... How could you play so smart for 2 hours (at a ring game or MTT for instance) and then implode so quickly? And you have a recipe for disaster.
Your body wants to feel better, your mind wants to prove it's worth, your ego wants to regain it's self-respect. And maybe, you're loses are causing a financial pressure. And it's all relative. You could have started with $100 and grown it to $310 over a few session or weeks of play. Now you're back below $220 and your scared to see that number go below $200 for no real reason other than ego. In reality you're up, but it doesn't feel that way. (Alternately it could cause an ACTUAL financial stress, which is worse). So, all this combines into an unstoppable urge to keep playing. Maybe at higher stakes. If it took you 3 weeks to build that bankroll, you don't want to have to start another 2 week process because you had a bad few hours. So patience and reality go out the window and you increase the stakes to "recover faster". Or start Multi-tabling where you weren't before. When the loss of a single hand triggers this response, then that's what most people see as "going on tilt".
Does any of this sound familiar? If not it's because you're playing with points and not money or have been playing for only 30 minutes. It happens to everyone at every level: Micro, Tournament, High Stakes, etc.
The important thing to understand is that the symptoms you feel when you lose are out of your control. They are as physiological and automatic as your heart beating or sneezing. The other important thing to remember is that good poker play requires PATIENCE, ABSTRACT THINKING, and A NEUTRAL TO POSITIVE OUTLOOK. You will lose money if you are in a hurry, distracted by your own body and worried.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO?
1. KNOW THYSELF. Understand when this kicks in for you. You could lose 5 tournaments in a row, but your expectations are to win 1 out of 6, and you have the bankroll and history that makes it all "normal". This may not kick in until you lose the 6th tournament. Or you may expect to win money 2 days out of 3 playing limit, so it doesn't kick in when you've had a few hours or a day of negative income. But you need to know what your expectations are regarding losing and "know thyself". When you feel the first tinge of physical or emotional response to losing then the affects above are kicking in. The solution is to stop playing until you get yourself back under control (more on that below).
2. KNOW YOUR EXPECTATIONS. (This is a secret to life in and of itself, so take note.) I don't know the secret to happiness, but I DO know the secret to unhappiness. It is UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS. You expect your life to "change" and get great when you graduate high school, and then it doesn't. You're unhappy. Why? No reason, everything is fine, you aren't being shipped off to a prison work camp, you have food and friends and activities. But reality didn't meet your expectations and you have Unrealistic Unhappiness. It happens for women post marriage. They expected this married fantasy bliss, and it's not there after about the first month. They get unhappy. Why? They're married! They have a handsome husband, new apartments... etc. Nothing is REALLY wrong, but they have UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS. So they are unhappy.
What are your expectations? Are they realistic? Do you expect to lose? You should not expect to always win. Do you expect to be Mr. Poker with only 3 years experience? (yes, it takes a long time to get as good as you expect! 3 years is nothing.) If you're new to poker, you really need to examine your expectations. May I suggest that you expect to pay a "learning tax" and make the most of what you learn. If you break even, or win then it's a Bonus. But, if you put your mind and effort into it, then you will eventually start collecting other players' "learning tax". AS you get better that income increases and you can make good money if you want. Or you can play break-even poker - which is free excitement and entertainment. But, have your expectations match reality. Because if you don't, the PAIN RESPONSE will kick in and you'll "go on tilt" - which is another way of saying you will sucumb to the Psychology of Losing.
The solution to this is to Ajust Your Expectations (more on this below)
How to Do what you need to do to reverse the Psychological Effect of Losing.
There's more that could be said above, but these 2 points are the main points to address in this post. So here are some suggestions and thoughts on how to execute a recovery strategy.
1. Stop Playing
If you can't turn off the computer and walk away then you have a problem. And you should see it as a problem. You don't have to rush off to a 12 step meeting. But if your poker is affecting your life and relationships with others in a negative way, your job, life finances, causing depression, etc. Then you probably should get professional help. Poker isn't that important!!
(If you have this problem then you probably already suspect it and don't want to face it. Let me just say this, and if it sounds like a public service add, then it does. If you acknowledge to yourself that you have a problem and realize that your life and family are more important than the problem, then you will overcome it. You just need some professional help and counselling. You will live the life you want and not a life of cyclical pain and self-destruction. You can have that great life you imagine without poker. Guranteed!)
FOR MOST OF US THOUGH, the problem isn't a life problem. It's an issue of minimizing our losses and increasing our positive poker sessions. So here are some things you can do.
Again, turn off the computer. Call the session done! So you lost?? OK. Accept it. Put it in perspective. Did losing give you cancer? NO! Did it make your wife leave you? NO! Did it cause your beautiful lawn to sprout weeds? NO! OK. There's no Real Damage!! There's no Real Danger... Your body is registering a Danger Response to an imagined danger. Understand and accept it. Physical separation from the stimulus (i.e. the game) will let your body calm down, will let your mind start to digest what happened, and will keep you from blowing the money you have left in a vain and fruitless attempt to "recover". You can't recover the money Right Now. But you can recover yourself right now, by walking away.
Do something else. Something physical is best. It will disperse the physical effects more quickly and occupy your mind. Clean something!!! Yea! That'll also make the wife happy and you'll get satisfaction from that. Imagine how much your wife will LOVE the fact that you play poker if when you win the family gets Money and when you lose the house gets Clean?? That's a win-win!! And it's a win-win for you. When you win money you get warm and fuzzy feelings of power and ego, and when you lose you get SEX!!! Smile
You could also take a walk, mow the grass, clean the gutters, take a drive with the top down (I have a Jeep) or the windows open. Get some fresh air! Play with the kids!! They've been waiting for "Daddy to get off the computer" for 3 hours. They'll love it.
Don't watch a movie or read a book. You'll keep stewing and they aren't as effective as something physical.
What if your loss was late at night? Take a piss (you've been waiting until a break), take a sleeping pill - not the whole bottle haha - and go to bed. Honestly, take a sleeping pill. They aren't addictive, you have work in the morning and you don't need to miss sleep thinking about why you reraised AI with 66 against a reraiser with AA. You'll feel better in the morning.
If you want to play more the same day, then you need to take a good, long, physical break. Do something that will make you feel good about life. Work out! You'll help your health. Go out to eat at a nice restaurant. You'll help your outlook on life. Etc. But, if you aren't 100% relaxed, 100% patient and 100% prepared to play poker the way you know you should and feel you can, then you're not ready to play yet.
What if you're in the Middle of a Tournament?? If you can click "deal me out", recoginize the symptoms and do what you can to dissipate them. Take as long of a break as possible. Recognize that YOU MIGHT LOSE AND THAT'S OK!!! Come to grips with the prospect of losing and decide that it's not the worst thing in the world. Then decide that if you are going to lose it's not going to be because you went on Tilt. You're going to invest your time, skill and energy to the best of your ability until the last hand. If you do lose, you won't feel as bad as if you tilted out!!
Enuf said? Recognize your response to losing is physical and psychological in ways you can't "decide" away or ignore. You have to Do something else.
If you've taken a particularly bad loss or lost your entire bankroll, you may need to take a longer break. Days, weeks, even months. If you have money online it'll still be there 6 weeks later - which is more than can be said if you play on tilt. Take some time to study your play, read a book or two, learn more, change your game. Re-read the book that helped you learn to play well in the first place. Take notes. Poker won't go away during your break. There will probably be 1000 new fish on the site when you return and the shark who spanked you around may have moved to another site or higher stakes. Don't return to playing until you feel you have the skills and mentality you need to win.
2. Adjust Your Expectations
I'm posting this in the beginner's area. If you're a beginner or you haven't "learned poker" then you really need to adjust your expectations. I don't care what limit your playing, there are some players there who have studied poker, know it like the back of their hand, and have been playing for years and years!!! The higher the stakes, generally, the more experienced the players. That's not a bad thing! You are getting your money's worth for your "learning tax".
If you think you have a 6th sense, a "feel for the game", you can "spot weakness" naturally, etc. You don't. I'm being frank. No one does. Those feelings aren't feelings, they are based on experience, study, knowledge and statistical analysis. When all that becomes innate then it looks like "feel". But I doubt any highly successful player will say they have a "natural talent" other than their talent to learn and their experience and commitment to playing good poker. It's easy to feel that way when you're winning. But there's always an element of luck, even playing AA there's luck. You choose this time to go AI and someone calls with KK and you hold up to win. Statistics said you would probably win. But it was LUCKY that someone had 2nd best hand and a willingness to call your AI bet. We increase our chances by learning and experience.
One way to adjust expectations is to keep records. Past history DOES predict future results, all else being equal. Most people don't understand that past records for thousands of hands is required. So they see streaks. But they are just small portions of a correct statistical sampling. Flip a coin 30 times and it may come up heads 20 times. Flip it a million times and the difference between heads and tails will be will within any margin of error. So don't interpret small scale changes as trends. Adjust your expectations. When you haven't played thousands of hands, then HAVE NO EXPECTATIONS!! You're still building your statistical baseline to base any expectations on. You can study your hands and your play against "recommended" play and learn how to play better in the short term. There are plenty of helps regarding that here and elsewhere.
Adjust your monetary expectations. No one WANTS to follow the bankroll management advice on this site and elsewhere. Just understand that if you don't then you're going to see some swings that look scary and can take your entire bankroll. Don't EXPECT to be unique in all the world of Poker. You can't play 50% of your bankroll on any given day and not suffer the natural and unavoidable consequences of that move.
We all see ourselves as unique, special, talented. There's nothing wrong with that, except that when you're talking about Poker you're playing a game of statistics, skill and experience. You can't change statistics. If you change your skill and experience (generally over a long period of time) then you can become unique, special and talented. It's like that saying "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, BUT SOME OF US OUTGROW IT".
Do you expect to be able to play 6 hours a day, when your family and other obligations don't allow it? Adjust your expectations!
There are plenty of other "expectations" that need adjusting. Here's the bottom line (in poker and in life). If you are UnHappy, then you need to look at what your expectations Were, what Actually Happened, and either adjust your expectations to match reality or take the action necessary to adjust reality to match your expectations. If you hate your job it's because you expected.... whatever. Either make that happen, adjust your expectations or change jobs. Same with poker.
Knowing where you fit in the poker spectrum when it comes to skill, experience and your chosen game/limits, will also help you understand and deal with losses. They will also help you know when, where and how you need to improve. If that's your goal then losing is a positive. If you didn't lose how else would you know your weaknesses and know where to spend your energy.
Can you turn a loss into a positive experience? I do it all the time. I'll be heads up in a tourney and have my hat handed to me by a skilled player = more skilled than me by a mile. I'll watch everything he does and learn. I'll make notes. I'll replay it in my mind. I'll add his tricks to my bag and be grateful for the experience. Let's say I don't make it in the money and the same thing happens (that's losing), I'll do the same thing.
SUMMARY
1. Not every loss activates the Psychology of Losing reaction. Know what triggers it with you and learn to recognize the symptoms.
2. Adjust your play to reduce the opportunity for this loss reaction to happen often (if possible)
3. When it happens, recognize it and take steps to dissipate it. If you're in the middle of a tournament and can't just turn off then adjust your expectations very quickly, take a few hands off, and recover the best you can. You may lose anyway, but you'll give yourself a better shot than you would have had otherwise.
4. If poker affects your family, life, finances in a serious way then get professional help.
5. Physical loss reactions require physical actions to clear up. Stop playing and do something else.
6. Know your game, know your circumstances and adjust your expectations to match.
Finally, if you're not having fun over the long run, then why do it? If you love playing poker, life's too short to deny yourself that excitment. And if it just seems like a constanst struggle with no upside, then life's too short to waste your time doing it!!
Good luck and happy playing!
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Although not technically a bead beat, this hand sure felt like one. Not for the weak of stomach...
***** Hand History for Game 3127108208 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 01, 18:03:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 67055 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: Pbiggy47 ( $206 )
Seat 5: beezo22 ( $1250 )
Seat 8: nashun1 ( $1033.58 )
Seat 10: bigdaddyboat ( $1437.50 )
Seat 6: PO$$E$$ED ( $1000 )
Seat 1: budco33 ( $1117 )
Seat 9: mitchyd ( $967.50 )
Seat 4: IceCremMnstr ( $821.50 )
Seat 3: stackem88 ( $640 )
Seat 7: chiberson ( $1000 )
bigdaddyboat posts small blind [$5].
budco33 posts big blind [$10].
chiberson posts big blind [$10].
nashun1 posts big blind + dead [$15].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$EDh [ Ad Ah ]
>You have options at Table 64809 Table!.
Pbiggy47 folds.
stackem88 folds.
beezo22 calls [$10].
PO$$E$$ED raises [$75].
chiberson folds.
nashun1 folds.
mitchyd folds.
bigdaddyboat calls [$70].
budco33 folds.
beezo22 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, As, 8c ]
bigdaddyboat bets [$75].
PO$$E$$ED calls [$75].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
bigdaddyboat bets [$250].
PO$$E$$ED calls [$250].
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
bigdaddyboat checks.
>You have options at Table 64809 Table!.
PO$$E$$ED did not respond in time.
PO$$E$$E folds.
bigdaddyboat does not show cards.
bigdaddyboat wins $842
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Oh god. There's a bad beat I can actually feel for, having had somewhat similar things happen in the past.
Those bother me more than actual beats.
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Brainy no worky. My river play is simply donktastic, I must hate money or something.
***** Hand History for Game 3145648189 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, December 04, 20:05:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 64782 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Wide_Open ( $972.50 )
Seat 4: ORpoker ( $1647 )
Seat 5: BAJk0rven ( $939 )
Seat 6: Grinder4200 ( $422 )
Seat 2: PO$$E$$ED ( $1004 )
Wide_Open posts small blind [$5].
PO$$E$$ED posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ Kh As ]
ORpoker calls [$10].
BAJk0rven folds.
Grinder4200 calls [$10].
Wide_Open calls [$5].
PO$$E$$ED raises [$30].
ORpoker calls [$30].
Grinder4200 calls [$30].
Wide_Open folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Ac, Jc ]
PO$$E$$ED checks.
ORpoker bets [$70].
Grinder4200 folds.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$70].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
PO$$E$$ED bets [$140].
ORpoker calls [$140].
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
PO$$E$$ED is all-In.
ORpoker folds.
PO$$E$$ED does not show cards.
PO$$E$$ED wins $1302
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This one's kinda tame. Basically I paid to see the guy's quads. Still a horrible call nonetheless.
***** Hand History for Game 3168698602 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 08, 23:28:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 69208 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: twitch1312 ( $1018 )
Seat 3: ezratei ( $971 )
Seat 5: coastline44 ( $114 )
Seat 4: PO$$E$$ED ( $1000 )
Seat 6: sosexable ( $1127 )
Seat 1: brett22880 ( $203.75 )
brett22880 posts small blind [$5].
twitch1312 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ 5h 5d ]
ezratei folds.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$10].
coastline44 folds.
sosexable folds.
brett22880 folds.
twitch1312 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Ah, 7d ]
twitch1312 checks.
PO$$E$$ED bets [$10].
twitch1312 calls [$10].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
twitch1312 checks.
PO$$E$$ED bets [$25].
twitch1312 calls [$25].
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
twitch1312 checks.
>You have options at Table 65301 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
PO$$E$$ED bets [$90].
twitch1312 raises [$200].
PO$$E$$ED: lol
PO$$E$$ED: you got 4 of something?
>You have options at Table 65301 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$110].
twitch1312 shows [ Ad, 4c ] four of a kind, aces.
PO$$E$$ED doesn't show [ 5h, 5d ] a full house, Aces full of fives.
twitch1312 wins $492 from the main pot with four of a kind, aces.
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This one's real ugly. If I had reraised preflop none of this would've happened. On the turn I'm repping the flush, trying to fold a set/overpair/JA but end up running into a flush. Horribly played by both villain and myself.
***** Hand History for Game 3197453282 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 13, 23:28:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 64782 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: thebaytzim ( $410.25 )
Seat 4: Ulle1234 ( $880 )
Seat 5: nevertilt232 ( $1278 )
Seat 6: Salon_Stylex ( $1221 )
Seat 2: BROTHERS7178 ( $647.50 )
Seat 3: PO$$E$$ED ( $1096 )
PO$$E$$ED posts small blind [$5].
Ulle1234 posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ Qc Qd ]
nevertilt232 raises [$40].
>You have options at Table 69567 Table!.
Salon_Stylex calls [$40].
thebaytzim raises [$100].
BROTHERS7178 folds.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$95].
Ulle1234 folds.
nevertilt232 calls [$60].
Salon_Stylex calls [$60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 8s, Js ]
PO$$E$$ED checks.
>You have options at Table 66121 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
nevertilt232 bets [$325].
Salon_Stylex folds.
thebaytzim folds.
>You have options at Table 69567 Table!.
PO$$E$$ED calls [$325].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
>You have options at Table 66121 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
PO$$E$$ED is all-In.
>You have options at Table 69567 Table!.
nevertilt232 calls [$671].
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
PO$$E$$ED shows [ Qc, Qd ] two pairs, queens and eights.
nevertilt232 shows [ Ts, 5s ] a flush, jack high.
nevertilt232 wins $2399 from the main pot with a flush, jack high.
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change blacksnatch to possessed, too.. try word and its replace option, easier than manually..
other than that, I personally re-raise (too) rarely PF, just havent really thought about the reasons for doing so. I feel it gives up too much info from my, or I should do it with other hands besides JJ-AA, AK. You really thought a set would fold to your push here? I mean it is easy to see what you are trying to repp here but IMO pushing isnt the best way to convince people..
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"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20
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I think a PF re-reraise is wrong.
in a 4 way re-raised pot it is often better to see the flop, since your hand value will be defined much better. You are probably up against a number of high cards, so an A or K on the flop either puts you way behind, or kills your action from any hands that you beat.
A flop check raise is much better than the turn push though.
Once you call the flop bet you are playing for stacks anyway. I think you might as well push it all in.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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How can you call that flop bet with the draw out? If you think he has a set here, can you fold?
Gotta love the guy who 4x raises T5s UTG, and calls a re-raise.
Pre-flop, it would be a re-re-raise. Not sure I want to do that with QQ.
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Gotta love the guy who 4x raises T5s UTG, and calls a re-raise.
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I've seen this comment a lot, and I sometimes doubt it has merit.
Of course, if this is your ordinary mode of play, it's one thing. But, it is kinda necessary to mix up your play in preflop. You can't restrict your UTG raising to groups 1 and 2. You get too predictable. This is something many people on this site seem to talk about, yet when they themselves encounter it, the villain is automatically a fish.
When the bet is reraised it isn't enough of a reraise to drive him out. If he'd called a vast all-in it would've been another matter.
T.
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No limit Hold'Em - hours of boredom followed by moments of sheer terror.
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Everyone seems to be against a re re-raise preflop with queens. What if nevertilt232 was as loose as Courtney Love (he raised to $40 with 7 9 off from early position last hand), and I knew baytzim was steaming from a bad beat (from nevertilt's 7 9)? If Salon_StyleX hadn't limped in I would've pushed pre-flop for sure.
I don't necessarily agree to a flop check-raise- if someone was drawing to a flush, he usually has at least one overcard to my queens, making him a favorite to win. By calling the flop and pushing a non-spade turn, you are giving yourself much better odds of taking the pot.
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I don't necessarily agree to a flop check-raise- if someone was drawing to a flush, he usually has at least one overcard to my queens, making him a favorite to win. By calling the flop and pushing a non-spade turn, you are giving yourself much better odds of taking the pot.
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i havent read every post you've made, but of the ones i have read, i'd vote this one the best. i like these kinds of discussions. now, why didn't you stick to this plan? was this just something you thought of in hindsight? also, why did you open push on the turn? was it a bluff or did you think you were ahead, or was the pot just so big that you felt there were no other options? i apologize for all the questions, i just like to pick brains
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He who drinks beer sleeps well.
He who sleeps well cannot sin.
He who does not sin goes to Heaven.
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Originally Posted by PO$$E$$ED
I don't necessarily agree to a flop check-raise- if someone was drawing to a flush, he usually has at least one overcard to my queens, making him a favorite to win. By calling the flop and pushing a non-spade turn, you are giving yourself much better odds of taking the pot.
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i havent read every post you've made, but of the ones i have read, i'd vote this one the best. i like these kinds of discussions. now, why didn't you stick to this plan? was this just something you thought of in hindsight? also, why did you open push on the turn? was it a bluff or did you think you were ahead, or was the pot just so big that you felt there were no other options? i apologize for all the questions, i just like to pick brains 
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A flush draw+one overcard gives villain about 45%, so I would actually be ahead on the flop (villain's not the fave), my mistake.
The open push on the turn was a bluff, I wasn't thinking too clearly and figuring I was likely behind I did what I could to try to fold the villain. I did not think he was on a flush, given the way he played the hand.
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zenbitz
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Hey, I didn't say it was a bad play... I said you gotta love it.
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Okay, let's see if I gots this right from a spreadsheet
Let's say you want to make the equivalent of a $100K salary playing poker.
WinRate: 5 BB/100
Speed: 50 H/Hr <-- assumes one-tabling at a fast table or equiv
Relative: 2.5 BB/Hr
BBSize: 20 <-- a variable to tweak
40 hr/wk: $2000/wk
50wk/yr: $100,000
(pay your own health care, insurance, all that, so this is not nearly as good as having a conventional 9-5 $100K job from a financial position)
Game size is thus 5/10 NLHE to get the $20 BB from above
Which means $1000 stacks
If you want a BR of 50x that to cover variance (from a post above, roughly, not running the gambler's ruin formula mentioned elsewhere), then you need a $50,000 bankroll before you quit that day job.
Note that does assume a willingness and capability to stare at the screen 40 hrs/week and keep the focus necessary to win the 5 BB/100 rate.
So is that a realistic reality check?
Is it feasible for a good player (not me, certainly) to multitable at lower stakes tables and thus keep the effective Hands/Hr much higher than the one-table assumptions made above?
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In some part of the world that money is huge. Our price level in Finland ( and half the EU) is about the same than in US on most parts but
1) our highly educated people do not earn as much as they do in US, perhaps top 10% might get 100k a year
2) taxes are higher
3) we have almost free health care which is decent even nowadays
4) poker winnings in UK and sweden for example are tax free, EU winnings are tax free here
Not saying we all should quit our day jobs, just another point of view..
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F*ck me running. What happened was that I didn't see that someone had entered the pot after me, I thought I was HU with the guy in the big blind. I would've never played this hand this way had I realized it was 3-way. The turn bet is out of desperation. By the way, should I have called villain's last $156 in the off chance that he's on a flush draw?
Where's that Hennessy dammit
***** Hand History for Game 3238021560 *****
$1000 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 21, 08:52:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 68851 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: Ssamjang ( $1351 )
Seat 4: TheRHODESIAN ( $1056 )
Seat 5: Ccyllus ( $983.80 )
Seat 1: QuickStilz ( $562 )
Seat 3: Mikesze ( $200.25 )
Seat 6: PO$$E$$ED ( $1000 )
Ssamjang posts small blind [$5].
Mikesze posts big blind [$10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PO$$E$$ED [ 5c 6c ]
TheRHODESIAN folds.
Ccyllus folds.
PO$$E$$ED raises [$31].
Ccyllus: had aa you?
QuickStilz calls [$31].
Ssamjang folds.
Mikesze calls [$21].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, Ah, Jh ]
Mikesze bets [$25].
Ccyllus: was hoping you didnt flop set
PO$$E$$ED raises [$125].
QuickStilz calls [$125].
Mikesze folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
PO$$E$$ED bets [$250].
QuickStilz is all-In.
PO$$E$$ED: olololololol
PO$$E$$ED: im so dumb
PO$$E$$ED folds.
QuickStilz does not show cards.
QuickStilz wins $1026
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That turn bet is uuuuuugly. It's OK (I think) to screw up here and raise the flop... but you gotta cut your losses here and check/fold turn and river. If you MUST have that $300, then push the turn ... at least there is some slim hope of him folding AJo or Qh.
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Yuck. Apparently I play like a vagina when I'm drunk. Hope y'all enjoy your holidays, don't drink and drive and remember to play queens hard preflop. Holla
Hand #10101823-44546 at Sumter (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 24/Dec/05 22:29:13
Seby is at seat 0 with $1057.
kharybdis is at seat 1 with $5642.50.
Felix1633 is at seat 2 with $685.
djjames is at seat 3 with $718.25.
SDfish is at seat 4 with $1168.50.
-MECHANIC- is at seat 5 with $1933.50.
The button is at seat 0.
kharybdis posts the small blind of $5.
Felix1633 posts the big blind of $10.
Seby: -- --
kharybdis: Qs Qd
Felix1633: -- --
djjames: -- --
SDfish: -- --
-MECHANIC-: -- --
Pre-flop:
djjames calls. SDfish folds. -MECHANIC- folds.
Seby raises to $45. kharybdis re-raises to $110.
Felix1633 folds. djjames folds. Seby calls.
Flop (board: 2c Ac Th):
kharybdis checks. Seby checks.
Turn (board: 2c Ac Th Jh):
kharybdis checks. Seby bets $240. kharybdis folds.
Seby is returned $240 (uncalled).
Hand #10101823-44546 Summary:
$3 is raked from a pot of $240.
Seby wins $237.
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WTF. I'm way ahead of his range here, I have no idea why I folded. In fact, I probably should've re-raised.
Hand #10101702-12705 at Rotterdam (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 25/Dec/05 21:29:33
cdruge1 is at seat 0 with $1030.
unclebucksky is at seat 1 with $735.
JeffG43 is at seat 2 with $889.
soccplayer07 is at seat 3 with $430.
Vinnerson is at seat 4 with $1864.25.
cubbies1fan is at seat 5 with $412.
zipgun21 is at seat 6 with $1116.
Bkou is at seat 7 with $300.
Icemann15 is at seat 8 with $1425.50.
kharybdis is at seat 9 with $2149.25.
The button is at seat 8.
kharybdis posts the small blind of $5.
cdruge1 posts the big blind of $10.
cdruge1: -- --
unclebucksky: -- --
JeffG43: -- --
soccplayer07: -- --
Vinnerson: -- --
cubbies1fan: -- --
zipgun21: -- --
Bkou: -- --
Icemann15: -- --
kharybdis: 6c Ah
Pre-flop:
unclebucksky has disconnected, is dropped.
unclebucksky folds. JeffG43 folds. soccplayer07
folds. Vinnerson folds. cubbies1fan folds.
zipgun21 folds. Bkou folds. Icemann15 folds.
kharybdis raises to $20. cdruge1 calls.
Flop (board: Qc Ad 6d):
kharybdis bets $40. cdruge1 raises to $160.
kharybdis folds. cdruge1 is returned $120 (uncalled).
Hand #10101702-12705 Summary:
$3 is raked from a pot of $120.
cdruge1 wins $117.
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UG
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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AQ, AA, QQ, 66 are all that beats you here. You are ahead of all other Ax, Qx, KK, JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77 type hands...
Any diamond draw might reraise your pants off to try to take down the pot right there as a sem-bluff.
Why oh why did you fold this? Why oh why did you not call this? Why oh why did you not reraise this? Correct me if I'm wrong but this seems like Poker 101 here. Or is there just something so upper-level about this, or so "this guy won't raise without the nuts here" about this that I'm just not getting?
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ilikeaces86
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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call the flop check raise any non diamond turn
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dsaxton
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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I'd reraise the flop. There are too many scare cards that could appear on the turn (any J, any K, any diamond), and a Q virtually kills your hand. I don't see much value in trying to get fancy here.
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PO$$E$$ED
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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All of you are right- I should've at least called, probably re-raised. Later when asked, villain told me he had A3. Doh. I'm a big donkey.
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