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fold and it's not even close 1 14.29%
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TPSK against a shortstack on draw-heavy board

  
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 06:57 AM     Post subject: TPSK against a shortstack on draw-heavy board #1 (permalink)  
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4-handed 5/10, I'm in the BB with . Folded around to SB who completes, I check.
Flop comes . Shortstack leads out for $10, I raise to $45. Shortstack instantly goes all-in for $200 more. Shortstack plays hit-and-run poker, he's capable of making semi-bluffs and plays fairly loose. How often can you expect to be ahead here? Damn shortstacks...
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 07:09 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Why raise? I would call the flop bet and see what's up if I wasn't prepared to either call or fold to a push.
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 07:45 AM #3 (permalink)  
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In situations where the other guy is either ahead or semi-bluffing, I think it's usually best to fold (the exception being when he semi-bluffs with an extremely high frequency). Those two possibilities combined are usually enough to make you an underdog to win the pot, so you're essentially just gambling by calling.
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Those two possibilities combined are usually enough to make you an underdog to win the pot, so you're essentially just gambling by calling.
Gamble gamble gamble...

Against short stacks I take this gamble all of the time for a whole lot of reasons outside the scope of this particular hand. However, the bigger stakes and hit & run artist aspects give this hand a neat little twist.

Hence, I just call the stupid flop bet. As a general rule, in NLHE you shouldn't raise if you don't know what to do in response to a re-raise.
 
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Old 03-03-2006, 02:06 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I dont personally think about what to do when I get re-raised because that happens so rarely.

about the actual hand. I like the raise if you are willing to call the shorty's push. I might call if he is capable of doing that with lots of holdings i.e. middle pair or a flush draw. Otherwise I just call.

on a sidenote: I really hate the hit n' run players. Is Ed Miller to blame?
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Old 03-03-2006, 03:07 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Would he really play 2p+ that fast? At this board and with your read, it's an easy call. Getting 1.5:1 helps too.
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