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griffey24

07-26-2008, 03:26 AM Post subject: thin river value raises, with intention of folding to shove

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-Just wondering if these two river raises are too thin given the boards, and if I should just be calling in these spots
-I seem to make these kind of thin raises pretty often, and it might be super spew

Hand 1
-reasonably small sample size of only 100 hands, running 45/30/2.5
-saw him playing 10/20 later on, so not sure if he was running hot with hands or is actually very fishy
-no real reads, seemingly a quasi fishy unknown
-I normally 3-bet in this spot preflop, but didn't want to create a big pot against someone who I thought could be fishy and never folding when I'm OOP

$2/$5 pounds
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG guynexdor ($757.60)
CO OwnYrSoul ($502.90)
BTN gungathin ($584.00)
SB WestPark ($517.90)
BB Hero ($491.00)

Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is BB

2 folds, gungathin raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero calls $15

Flop:

($42, 2 players)
Hero checks, gungathin bets $35, Hero calls $35

Turn:

($112, 2 players)
Hero checks, gungathin checks

River:

($112, 2 players)
Hero checks, gungathin bets $75, Hero raises to $190, gungathin raises to $529, Hero folds

Hand 2
-another small sample size 60 hands, 56/12/2.6
-no real reads again, but he seems to be somewhat passive and playing
quite a few hands

$5/$10 No Limit Holdem
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG ibadbeatu ($1482.52)
CO guynexdor ($1009.00)
BTN Hero ($1043.50)
SB Edoua0512 ($1191.92)
BB chubb10 ($1010.00)

Pre-flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is BTN

2 folds, Hero raises to $30, Edoua0512 calls $25, 1 fold

Flop:

($60, 2 players)
Edoua0512 checks, Hero checks

Turn:

($60, 2 players)
Edoua0512 bets $30, Hero calls $30

River:

($120, 2 players)
Edoua0512 bets $70, Hero raises to $175

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thizzSantaCruz

07-26-2008, 03:39 AM

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I like them both with the read that opponenet is a fish and calls a lot. He could pay off with trips in the first hand and top pair in the second.

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07-26-2008, 07:14 AM

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Hand 1: You 3-bet SC:s by default OOP, what??? I most certainly FOLD by default and only very occasionally raise or call. Also way prefer b/f over c/r/f on the river, and c/c will be best against many opponents.

Hand 2: Playing against seemingly passive fish and don't cbet TP+FD? As played river is perfectly fine/std. I would raise way bigger though.

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07-26-2008, 07:34 AM

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1 is bad because he would have bet trips on the turn so it is hard for him to call a c/r with worse. b/f or c/c , c/c if opponent can make laydowns in small pots and likes to value bet thinly

2 is good, obligatory as played. i dont think checking flop is bad but it would not be my standard play

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griffey24

07-26-2008, 12:17 PM

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Hand 1: You 3-bet SC:s by default OOP, what??? I most certainly FOLD by default

Haha no I don't 3bet by default, but IF I'm going to play this hand vs button open I WILL 3-bet more often than flat calling.

I'm trying to 3-bet most hands I play out of the blinds vs LP opens. It's something I used to do and got away from during my never ending downswing, may be somewhat spewy though?

Hand 1 - yah I can see the merit to b/f on river instead of c/r. Turn card is a bad card for him, so he may check through a very wide range of hands that have some value (pairs/overpairs etc). I felt as though even overpairs might go for a bet on this river though, not putting me on a straight at all.

I feel like donk leads get less respect in general than a c/r though. So simply donk leading on this river might induce some kind of bluff, which kind of sucks if I'm intending to fold to a shove.

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07-26-2008, 01:21 PM

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Quote:

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Hand 1: You 3-bet SC:s by default OOP, what??? I most certainly FOLD by default

Nope, that is perfectly fine.

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07-26-2008, 01:53 PM

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If 1 was versus a guy who thinks this line from you is a bluff its good but versus fish no.

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LuckySlevin

07-27-2008, 02:18 PM

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I don't see why you folded in the first hand, what do you think he was raising with? I'm new so am asking the question to learn, it's not rhetorical, surely your straight would be favourite to most here? did you have him on a full house or something?

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griffey24

07-27-2008, 11:12 PM

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Yah I folded putting him on a full house. I can't imagine why a straight would come back over the top here, and IF he has a straight then I'm calling to at best split here.

Do people advocate a call here? I insta folded.

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07-29-2008, 08:21 PM

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Calling seems terrible, but I do think there is some chance you opened your self up to getting blown off a chop by the c/r if he is fishy enough.

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07-30-2008, 03:34 PM

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LMAO

Serious? you're serious?

You're kidding right?

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

Ragnar4

07-30-2008, 03:38 PM

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Anyway, Hand 1 as played.
Why isn't there some value in just calling the river here? Kept the pot small with a hand that just seems to have good call down value here.

I'd rather call down and find my opponent had JT than raise and get blown off the hand with air.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

griffey24

07-30-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnar4

I'm sure there's value in just c/c! That's kinda why I posted it, to see if ppl thought the c/r and fold to shove line was ok or if c/c was better.

As played, I can easily have a boat here with 97 or 98, and so if someone is gonna pull a crazy move like jam the straight or jam air even, then all the power to them I guess!

Not many ppl are capable of that really, I don't think.

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