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Numbr2intheWorld
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12-24-2007, 05:45 PM
Post subject: Some fun hands 400NL and 600NL
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the 400NL hand isn't standard so i though i'd group it with these.
Villain is 25/21, playing very aggro and not tricky from what i've seen. Although i don't have much history with him and he most likely views me as TAGG.
I don't think folding the river is an option.
sorry this hand won't convert:
FullTiltPoker Game #46109183: Table Goldspur (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:59:59 ET - 2007/12/24
Seat 1: holding trips ($348), is sitting out
Seat 2: Tyrell Corp ($400)
Seat 3: Hero ($1,075.20)
Seat 4: gamble4you ($500.10)
Seat 5: letmefly88 ($421)
Seat 6: Barnicke ($179.60)
letmefly88 posts the small blind of $2
Barnicke posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [9s 9h]
Tyrell Corp folds
Hero raises to $14
gamble4you calls $14
letmefly88 folds
Barnicke calls $10
*** FLOP *** [2c Kd 4c]
Barnicke checks
Hero bets $33
gamble4you calls $33
Barnicke folds
*** TURN *** [2c Kd 4c] [2s]
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero checks
gamble4you has 15 seconds left to act
gamble4you bets $80
Hero calls $80
*** RIVER *** [2c Kd 4c 2s] [8s]
Hero checks
gamble4you has 15 seconds left to act
gamble4you bets $160
Hero raises to $948.20, and is all in (about 250 more to him)
this one i wanted to puke but felt like with what my range looked like and I doubt anything but a boat would raise this river. I didn't have any history with the guy but he was playing TAGG. My image is solid.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP ($240)
CO ($1211.75)
Button ($578)
SB ($287.95)
BB ($120)
Hero ($929)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , T .
Hero raises to $21, CO calls $21, 1 fold, SB calls $18, 1 fold.
Flop: ($69) K , J , Q (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $55, CO calls $55, SB folds.
Turn: ($179) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $142, CO calls $142.
River: ($463) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $360, CO raises to $720, Hero folds. (351 to call)
Final Pot: $1183
Weird hand, villain is running 33/13 passive over like 50 hands. I hadn't seen him minraise the flop but i was pretty confident most of the hands he was doing it with were Kx hands. I decided that i was going to turn my hand into a bluff on the river if i missed, and that it was a decent place to lead the turn because i'd almost always be getting free cards to the A, Q or flush.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($600)
Button ($1431.90)
SB ($594)
BB ($519.65)
UTG ($244.80)
Hero ($582)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A , Q .
1 fold, Hero raises to $21, Button calls $21, 2 folds.
Flop: ($51) Q , K , 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $38, Button raises to $76, Hero calls $38.
Turn: ($203) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $111, Button calls $111.
River: ($425) 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $374 (All-In)
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Ok last hand there are definitely wayyy better lines to take so don't flame me too hard.
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1). I don't think he should fold K-10/K-J to a check/shove here since if you had a bigger King it would make more sense to go for three straightforward streets of value. Check/call has to be better given he is very aggro.
2). River bet looks good to me. While Q-J is the only hand i would think he could be raising with, his play is entirely passive before the river so i'm inclined to believe he isn't bluffing. He's probably calling a river bet with 10-9.
3). I would lead the turn bigger (150-175). When you are about 100BB deep in a raised pot and actually have a flush, your turn bet is almost always going to be relatively bigger than your river bet (or at least similarly sized) . This is because you are thinking ahead when you have a made hand, and thinking ahead is something i'm just starting to do when i'm bluffing.
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Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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Hand 1: He's repping such a thin range (KQ-KT) I'd probably just call, raise seems okay though.
Hand 2: I have a really hard time folding this, I probably don't and I think folding was bad. He can really only have one hand that is beating you (albeit that is the only hand that makes any sense).
Hand 3: I understand your read, but i just go c/c, c/c. I think c/r and bet river is greater than this line though.
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gabe
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check fold turn
meh
i like
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I would rather c/c river on second hand.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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Hand 1 - I like c/f turn or c/c river to catch his bluff I think. If he's NOT bluffing then I'd imagine he's calling river c/r
Hand 2- wow I don't think I can fold this at all, given pot odds. If its ever possible that he gets here with AQ or QT (pair and straight draw) and is value raising your "AK" then I think a call is ok. Would he raise KQ on earlier streets?
Hand 3 - I like this hand. I like your bet sizing on the turn as well. Its a bit small but sets up a good size river bet i think.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by gabe
check fold turn
meh
i like
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Wow, did you look at the hands backwards or are you saying the exact opposite of what i thought everyone would say?
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Lyric
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1. This line is prolly good vs gamble. He's going to be bluffing a lot on that turn and river if he views you as tag.
2. meh. if he's tag it looks good.
3. idk if i want to be bluffing an idiot 33/13 passive guy. if you think his range is any king or any draw, he's prob not folding any king and all real draws got there on the turn. trying to tell him that you hit your flush isn't + EV vs a 33/13 passive imo.
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1: if this is b_buddy then i like
2. c/c > b/f
3. i dunno about this. ur repping a flush w/ that turn bet, and the amount of flushes in your range on that board isnt high enough.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Massimo
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Originally Posted by gabe
check fold turn
meh
i like
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Wow, did you look at the hands backwards or are you saying the exact opposite of what i thought everyone would say?
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by Massimo
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Originally Posted by gabe
check fold turn
meh
i like
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Wow, did you look at the hands backwards or are you saying the exact opposite of what i thought everyone would say?
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We both thought you'd say last one is bad and first one is good.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by Massimo
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Originally Posted by gabe
check fold turn
meh
i like
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Wow, did you look at the hands backwards or are you saying the exact opposite of what i thought everyone would say?
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We both thought you'd say last one is bad and first one is good and snap call second one.
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gabe
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reading the description of the last one again maybe youre right its not so good. i still do stuff like that though
also the first one i done like because of the opponent. hell even vs me i probably call with KQ there 60% of the time
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Originally Posted by gabe
reading the description of the last one again maybe youre right its not so good. i still do stuff like that though
also the first one i done like because of the opponent. hell even vs me i probably call with KQ there 60% of the time
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keep in mind though it's 400NL which has quite a few unimaginative TAGG regs and i look like one of them (i should have been more specific with this, my image wasn't paticularly aggro, it definitely didn't look like i was capable of a move like this.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Results:
Hand 1: he timed down a little while typing, "i can only beat one hand... I have 56" then folded. Not sure if he was telling the truth. I also showed him my hand which i think was probably not a good idea.
Hand 2: i folded like i said, he didn't show.
Hand 3: He folded
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