Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

High Stakes NL Hold'em

  > 

So: Can we get it in?

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
sauce123
Old 11-29-2007, 10:44 AM     Post subject: So: Can we get it in? #1 (permalink)  
sauce123's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dizzy
Posts: 2,405
sauce123 will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to sauce123
This was a hand I thought could be played differently on every street. Villain in the hand is Birdboy, a 23/17 or so (maybe a bit tighter or looser i forget) tag. His defining characteristic was the tendency to float cbets in position with almost anything: two overs, gutters, underpairs, A high, maybe worse and try to win the pot later. He was also a bit less aggro 3betting than most tags and I'd generally say a slightly weaker regular than most at 5/10 but probably a marginal winner. My image should be 23/19 or so and aggressive/capable of making moves. This hand is from about a month ago, but I believe we had gotten AI in a few relatively standard spots in the last 150 hands when this hand occurred, so I would expect a little bit of everything "light" at this point in the session.

I think check/folding flop here is best btw and instantly hated my flop bet after i made it and resolved to double barrel a fair amnt of turn cards vs this player (as I had been check/folding a lot of flops recently vs his compulsive floating). So, comments on all streets welcome as well as a hand range for him on the turn.




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($1658)
Hero ($1043)
BB ($2365.80)
UTG ($771.70)
MP ($188.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
3 folds, Hero raises to $35, BB calls $25.

Flop: ($70) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $50, BB calls $50.

Turn: ($170) (2 players)
Hero bets $130, BB raises to $320,
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
 
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
ilikeaces86
Old 11-29-2007, 04:48 PM #2 (permalink)  
ilikeaces86's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,141
ilikeaces86 is on a distinguished road
 No.
 
Reply With Quote
Irisheyes
Old 11-29-2007, 05:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
Irisheyes's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: over there
Posts: 3,708
Irisheyes
Firstly I think pf is just too light versus a guy who is going to mess with you a ton post flop. I'd tighten up a good bit given the circumstances.

I think I could just check fold the flop also because basically his whole range is going to float this particular flop.

Given that you bet the flop I think the turn is the perfect card for you to check/call his steals and get the maximum value from his floats.

Then I just check again on the river and soul read his bet size and timing. I'm most likely calling most bets on most rivers though. I might try to c/r AI on clubs depending on bet size.
Reply With Quote
Ash256
Old 11-29-2007, 05:26 PM     Post subject: Re: So: Can we get it in? #4 (permalink)  
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 1,760
Ash256 will become famous soon enoughAsh256 will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce123
I think check/folding flop here is best btw and instantly hated my flop bet after i made it and resolved to double barrel a fair amnt of turn cards vs this player (as I had been check/folding a lot of flops recently vs his compulsive floating).
Do you think he knows this? It seems theoretically like a really sick strategy to re-adjust the second you start adjusting.
Reply With Quote
Genitruc
Old 11-29-2007, 05:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
Genitruc's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,463
Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point
 I play like him a lot and this is almost always a bluff but it scares the shit out of taggs

I'd just call and call almost any river. imo the described player here has a HUUUGE range
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
Reply With Quote
IowaSkinsFan
Old 11-29-2007, 06:19 PM #6 (permalink)  
IowaSkinsFan's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 7,148
IowaSkinsFan will become famous soon enoughIowaSkinsFan will become famous soon enough
 This turn card is a horrible one for him to bluff on so unless you think he's a level ahead of this I fold.

My instinct as well is to fold.
Check out the new blog!!!
 
Reply With Quote
The Grouch
Old 11-29-2007, 06:51 PM #7 (permalink)  
The Grouch's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: representing a narrow range
Posts: 26
The Grouch
This is a very tough spot. First of all I don't mind betting at a flop like this especially against someone who is being annoying and floaty. I've found that when you bet at flops where its likely you both missed and you both know its likely you both missed you can often level them into not playing back and take it down there.

I think that if I had KQ here on the turn I would pretty much always shove because his line screams of a combo draw. I know that I often prefer to take off a card with a hand like 56, Axcc, A6, etc in BoB and then raise on a whiffed turn. By doing this I can generate increased FE,force you to commit to continue, etc, etc. while also being able to extract a lot of value when i hit.

The only problem is youre holding the worst possible queen and b/c he is such a floater it would not surprise me in the least to see him show up with JQ TQ here (probably with the Qc) and be willing to play for stacks (i know i surely would).

I think that with the read on him (lets remember he could still have air here) and that you are anticipating getting it in light, this is a great spot to charge his draws and shove, hoping not to get shown a better Q.
Reply With Quote
Genitruc
Old 11-30-2007, 01:54 AM #8 (permalink)  
Genitruc's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,463
Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point
 the reason I say shove is that - when I'm in stupid float-and-take-away-on-later-street mode - I'll show up with...like KJ0 or AT or shit like that in this spot.


maybe projecting my donkishness onto unknown isn't helpful but based on your read it sounds like a def possibility.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:54 AM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.