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Genitruc
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10-20-2009, 05:47 AM
Post subject: Small and Simple
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Straight Flush
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I've been beating up on villain without getting to showdown. He's a pretty normal reg that I haven't noticed doing anything weird other than seeming a little weak-tight in general.
Last hand we played, I flatted his utg (5 handed) raise and bet a low flop after he checked to me. He insta-folded.
game is nl5-10, eff stacks 900$
Villain raises from CO, I flat KQo from btn. We see a flop HU.
Flop (85$) is   
He checks, I bet 60, he calls pretty quickly.
Turn is 
He checks, I check back (I think this is the big question in the hand fwiw)
River (205$) is 
He bets 165 pretty quickly...
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Alexos
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I'd probably bet turn again and easily fold to a c/r.
You wanna shove river or what? I'd just fold, don't think he's bluffing and don't think he's vbetting worse.
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Irisheyes
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I think his turn range is either hands we beat but are folding to a bet (Tx) or hands that beat us (most Qx +) so I like the check.
I fold the river because same reasons as Alexos.
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Alexos
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
I think his turn range is either hands we beat but are folding to a bet (Tx) or hands that beat us (most Qx +) so I like the check.
I fold the river because same reasons as Alexos.
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There's also plenty of worse pair + draw hands. Vs a predictable weak-tight opponent, you don't lose much by betting here. It's not like he'll be more likely to call Tx if you check turn, bet river.
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griffey24
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I don't mind the turn check, feel like that card is pretty brutal. I think a lot of his two pair hands might even c/c that turn, so its not like you can confidently go for a third street of value here anyhow.
River is a fold though, you don't really beat anything.
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Alexos
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I don't want to go for three streets necessarily, just get value from T8,T9,Q9,KT etc. If he doesn't c/r turn with two pair that's even better! Bet like 110$.
Nothing wrong with a check either and it's probably my std play vs most.
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Renton
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betting turn makes this hand so much easier to play and more +ev
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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calling range when we bet is wider than betting range when we check imo
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Ravageur
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Official Montreal SwampRat
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
calling range when we bet is wider than betting range when we check imo
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not sure i understand this...his calling range of a turn bet is wider than his river betting range if we check? not saying i disagree either but wanted to make sure that's what you meant.
I think i check the turn as well and tank a river..it's a fold but i always wanna call and hope he has some weird AJ or q9s type hand.
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Family Cruise IMO
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pocketfours
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I like turn check. River std fold imo.
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mz102489
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you gotta bet that turn.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Ravageur
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
calling range when we bet is wider than betting range when we check imo
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not sure i understand this...his calling range of a turn bet is wider than his river betting range if we check? not saying i disagree either but wanted to make sure that's what you meant.
I think i check the turn as well and tank a river..it's a fold but i always wanna call and hope he has some weird AJ or q9s type hand. |
Yeah it shouldnt make sense i guess i thought we were oop lol
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Genitruc
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i folded fwiw so no interesting results 
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
I like turn check. River std fold imo.
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dsmithpokerpro
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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insta call. your check on the turn induces a river bluff. i call
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