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Old 05-11-2005, 03:42 AM     Post subject: This is a sick game sometimes #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #1675356945: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/05/10 - 23:26:15
(ET)
Table 'Suevia' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: michael1123 ($2000 in chips)
Seat 2: Sellfirst ($1027.45 in chips)
Seat 3: TheBusDriver ($4709.85 in chips)
Seat 4: schem11 ($3459.50 in chips)
Seat 5: inturn ($1867 in chips)
Seat 6: doulas12 ($2507.85 in chips)
Seat 7: TyWebb01 ($3764.50 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($5881 in chips)
Seat 9: curzdog ($1827 in chips)
H@££INGGOL: posts small blind $10
curzdog: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michael1123 [5c 2c]
michael1123: raises $60 to $80
TheBusDriver said, "yeah i got mad you gg'd me"
Sellfirst: folds
TheBusDriver: folds
schem11: raises $120 to $200
inturn: folds
doulas12: folds
TyWebb01: folds
H@££INGGOL: calls $190
curzdog: folds
michael1123: calls $120
*** FLOP *** [6c 3s 4s]
H@££INGGOL: checks
michael1123: checks
schem11: bets $400
H@££INGGOL: raises $5281 to $5681 and is all-in
michael1123: calls $1800 and is all-in
schem11 said, "very interesting"
TheBusDriver said, "both got AJ"
TheBusDriver said, "no spade"
schem11: calls $2859.50 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6c 3s 4s] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 3s 4s 3c] [Jh]
michael1123 said, "wee"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
H@££INGGOL: shows [9s Qs] (a pair of Threes)
schem11: shows [Js Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Threes)
schem11 collected $2919 from side pot
michael1123 said, "NO"
michael1123: shows [5c 2c] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
michael1123 said, "oh my god"
schem11 collected $6017 from main pot
michael1123 said, "sick"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8939 Main pot $6017. Side pot $2919. | Rake $3
Board [6c 3s 4s 3c Jh]
Seat 1: michael1123 showed [5c 2c] and lost with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 2: Sellfirst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TheBusDriver folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: schem11 showed [Js Jc] and won ($8936) with a full house, Jacks full of
Threes
Seat 5: inturn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: doulas12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: TyWebb01 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL (small blind) showed [9s Qs] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 9: curzdog (big blind) folded before Flop

H@££INGGOL said, "that was possibly the worst call I've ever seen"
H@££INGGOL said, "did you not see Michael's call?"
schem11 said, "i wasnt worried about him"
michael1123 said, "good read schem"
schem11 said, "ty"
doulas12 said, "haha"
H@££INGGOL said, "why not he called 2k"

Bleh! I read H@ for a flush draw, and I knew schem had an overpair, so I was pretty sure I had it, even with the board pair.
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Old 05-11-2005, 03:49 AM #2 (permalink)  
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A few hands later:

PokerStars Game #1675500025: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/05/10 - 23:45:10 (ET)
Table 'Suevia' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: michael1123 ($2030 in chips)
Seat 2: Sellfirst ($1402.95 in chips)
Seat 3: TheBusDriver ($5045.35 in chips)
Seat 4: schem11 ($8890 in chips)
Seat 5: inturn ($1744 in chips)
Seat 6: doulas12 ($1990 in chips)
Seat 7: EASSA ($1980 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($4938.50 in chips)
Seat 9: curzdog ($2044.50 in chips)
EASSA: posts small blind $10
H@££INGGOL: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michael1123 [4c 3s]
curzdog: calls $20
michael1123: raises $60 to $80
Sellfirst: folds
TheBusDriver: folds
schem11: raises $120 to $200
inturn: folds
doulas12: folds
EASSA: folds
H@££INGGOL: folds
curzdog: folds
michael1123: calls $120
*** FLOP *** [2d 5h As]
michael1123: checks
schem11: bets $120
michael1123: raises $230 to $350
schem11: calls $230
*** TURN *** [2d 5h As] [Qc]
michael1123: bets $800
schem11: raises $800 to $1600
michael1123 said, "can you do it again?"
michael1123: calls $680 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [2d 5h As Qc] [8s]
michael1123 said, ":-)"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
michael1123: shows [4c 3s] (a straight, Ace to Five)
schem11: mucks hand
michael1123 collected $4107 from pot
michael1123 said, "set no good"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4110 | Rake $3
Board [2d 5h As Qc 8s]
Seat 1: michael1123 showed [4c 3s] and won ($4107) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 2: Sellfirst folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TheBusDriver folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: schem11 mucked [Ah Ks]
Seat 5: inturn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: doulas12 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: EASSA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: curzdog folded before Flop

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Old 05-11-2005, 05:01 AM #3 (permalink)  
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By far my unluckiest day at ring ever.

PokerStars Game #1675730393: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/05/11 - 00:17:41
(ET)
Table 'Suevia' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: michael1123 ($2015 in chips)
Seat 2: Sellfirst ($1297.45 in chips)
Seat 4: jbaig ($2317 in chips)
Seat 6: doulas12 ($1492 in chips)
Seat 7: EASSA ($4338 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($3209.50 in chips)
Seat 9: curzdog ($2077 in chips)
EASSA: posts small blind $10
H@££INGGOL: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michael1123 [7h Ah]
curzdog: folds
michael1123: raises $60 to $80
Sellfirst: folds
jbaig: calls $80
doulas12: folds
EASSA: calls $70
H@££INGGOL: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [5s 3h 7c]
EASSA: checks
H@££INGGOL: checks
michael1123: bets $170
jbaig: folds
EASSA: calls $170
H@££INGGOL: folds
*** TURN *** [5s 3h 7c] [7s]
EASSA: checks
michael1123: bets $400
EASSA: raises $400 to $800
michael1123: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [5s 3h 7c 7s] [Qd]
EASSA: bets $1480
michael1123: calls $965 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EASSA: shows [3d 3s] (a full house, Threes full of Sevens)
michael1123: shows [7h Ah] (three of a kind, Sevens)
EASSA collected $4187 from pot
michael1123 said, "not my day"

PokerStars Game #1675761603: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/05/11 - 00:22:21
(ET)
Table 'Suevia' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: michael1123 ($1737 in chips)
Seat 2: Sellfirst ($1267.45 in chips)
Seat 4: jbaig ($2187 in chips)
Seat 5: inturn ($2588 in chips)
Seat 6: doulas12 ($2000 in chips)
Seat 7: EASSA ($6430 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($3366.50 in chips)
Seat 9: curzdog ($2271 in chips)
inturn: posts small blind $10
doulas12: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michael1123 [7c 4d]
EASSA: raises $60 to $80
H@££INGGOL: folds
curzdog: folds
michael1123: calls $80
Sellfirst: folds
jbaig: folds
inturn: folds
doulas12: folds
*** FLOP *** [As 7d Js]
EASSA: bets $80
michael1123: calls $80
*** TURN *** [As 7d Js] [7s]
EASSA: checks
michael1123: bets $250
EASSA: calls $250
*** RIVER *** [As 7d Js 7s] [6h]
EASSA: checks
michael1123: bets $500
EASSA: raises $500 to $1000
michael1123 said, "god!"
michael1123 said, "AA or JJ"
michael1123: folds
EASSA collected $1847 from pot
EASSA: doesn't show hand

Should've folded on the flop out of fear of a set, then got stuck, until the raise on the river.

PokerStars Game #1675802160: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/05/11 - 00:28:37
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Table 'Suevia' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: michael1123 ($3991 in chips)
Seat 2: Sellfirst ($1167.45 in chips)
Seat 4: jbaig ($2187 in chips)
Seat 5: inturn ($2815 in chips)
Seat 6: doulas12 ($2000 in chips)
Seat 7: EASSA ($6027 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($3366.50 in chips)
Seat 9: curzdog ($2000 in chips)
Sellfirst: posts small blind $10
jbaig: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michael1123 [2s 6s]
inturn: folds
doulas12: calls $20
EASSA: folds
H@££INGGOL: raises $60 to $80
curzdog: folds
michael1123: calls $80
Sellfirst: folds
jbaig: folds
doulas12: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [2c 6h Td]
TheBusDriver leaves the table
doulas12: checks
H@££INGGOL: bets $180
michael1123: raises $320 to $500
doulas12: folds
Tinkywinky joins the table at seat #3
H@££INGGOL: raises $2786.50 to $3286.50 and is all-in
michael1123 said, "bleh"
michael1123 said, "please have an overpair"
michael1123: calls $2786.50
*** TURN *** [2c 6h Td] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [2c 6h Td 9s] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
H@££INGGOL: shows [7h 8h] (a straight, Six to Ten)
michael1123: shows [2s 6s] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
michael1123 said, "oh my god"
H@££INGGOL collected $6840 from pot
michael1123 said, "haha"
H@££INGGOL said, "ooops"
H@££INGGOL said, "sry didnt think you could call"


PokerStars Game #1675839825: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2005/05/11 - 00:34:31
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Table 'Suevia' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: michael1123 ($1848.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Sellfirst ($2000 in chips)
Seat 4: jbaig ($2157 in chips)
Seat 5: inturn ($2815 in chips)
Seat 6: doulas12 ($1967 in chips)
Seat 7: EASSA ($5917 in chips)
Seat 8: H@££INGGOL ($9917 in chips)
Seat 9: UallGoingTap ($2000 in chips)
michael1123: posts small blind $10
Sellfirst: posts big blind $20
Tinkywinky: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to michael1123 [3c Kh]
jbaig: folds
inturn: folds
doulas12: folds
EASSA: folds
H@££INGGOL: folds
UallGoingTap: folds
michael1123: raises $60 to $80
Sellfirst: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [3d 5s 3h]
michael1123: bets $120
Sellfirst: calls $120
*** TURN *** [3d 5s 3h] [6d]
michael1123: bets $300
Sellfirst: raises $300 to $600
michael1123: raises $1048.50 to $1648.50 and is all-in
Sellfirst: calls $1048.50
*** RIVER *** [3d 5s 3h 6d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
michael1123: shows [3c Kh] (three of a kind, Threes)
Sellfirst: shows [6s 6c] (a full house, Sixes full of Threes)
Sellfirst collected $3694 from pot
michael1123 said, "haha"

Cruel cruel game sometimes.
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Old 05-11-2005, 01:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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why are u playing such crap hands?

just curious..


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Old 05-11-2005, 01:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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You missed the one where you rivered a straight but H@ had turned a flush.

Amazing how frequently you were making big but second best hands there, michael. I think I watched about ten hands and saw you make three straights and flop the K3 trips and the 26 two pair.
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Old 05-11-2005, 07:49 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Why ARE you playing those rags?
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Old 05-11-2005, 08:07 PM #7 (permalink)  
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those arent crap hands at all!!

michael, so is H@ fishy? I usually see him with a big stack.
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Old 05-11-2005, 08:24 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I'm not a NL player (but I might start to dabble here and there) but I found these hand histories neat and I had a few questions for you micheal or anyone else that could answer these.

1) I notice that you aren't playing according to any set starting hands but are mostly playing suited cards (connected or not), connectors and are raising the same amount every time. Is this standard for you ie: do you ALWAYS raise 4x BB? Do you just play whatever you feel like (I'm specifically referring to the K3o hand)?

2) At what level can you start getting away from starting hands and play a style similar to this? I know this wouldn't fly at a $25 NL table, what about $100? $500?

3) Same deal goes for actual tourney playing. At what level of tourney does this play style/reads come more important than the starting cards? I mean, I don't think you'd be able to play like this in say a $5 buy-in MTT compared to a $100 buy-in or is tourney just that much different than ring?
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Old 05-11-2005, 08:38 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Old 05-11-2005, 09:26 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I'm not a NL player (but I might start to dabble here and there) but I found these hand histories neat and I had a few questions for you micheal or anyone else that could answer these.

1) I notice that you aren't playing according to any set starting hands but are mostly playing suited cards (connected or not), connectors and are raising the same amount every time. Is this standard for you ie: do you ALWAYS raise 4x BB? Do you just play whatever you feel like (I'm specifically referring to the K3o hand)?

2) At what level can you start getting away from starting hands and play a style similar to this? I know this wouldn't fly at a $25 NL table, what about $100? $500?

3) Same deal goes for actual tourney playing. At what level of tourney does this play style/reads come more important than the starting cards? I mean, I don't think you'd be able to play like this in say a $5 buy-in MTT compared to a $100 buy-in or is tourney just that much different than ring?
I'd have to say once you get to $600 NL, you get to start using your opponents cards against them a lot more than using "starting hands" because once you get up there, usually, the other people WILL be paying attention to what they think your hadns are.

Definitely not at $100 NL, I'd have to say, and $200 NL really isn't all that different. $400...iffy, but probably not.

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Old 05-11-2005, 09:50 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I am pretty sure you can play this style at $100 NL.
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Old 05-11-2005, 10:28 PM #12 (permalink)  
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What do you know you FISH, Gabe. blah blah blah is all I hear from you. Now stfu and win!
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Haha, I thought everyone here knew I played crazy loose aggressive NL ring.

H@ isn't fishy at all. He's certainly one of the very best players in that game. He just kind of plays my type of style (although not quite as many hands), and is very aggressive. He didn't think I had a hand on his raises here. The first hand is surprising though, since the guy with jacks would surely call.

Yes strung, I always raise 4xBB in NL ring. Only reason I'd ever do more is if there were a lot of limpers in front of me and I wanted to limit the field some.

I don't really just raise / play any hand I feel like (the K3o hand was in the SB against the BB), its mostly just as you said, suited / connected hands along with usual raising hands. But in general I put very little wait into preflop hands and flop bets, since it costs very little compared to how big my pots are when I reach a showdown. Its all about post flop play for me.

And I don't play near this loose aggressive in tournies. You can't see 50% of flops in a tourney if you expect to have any kind of consistency. The ability / willingness to play suited gapped hands (or the occasional 75o) and such is important late in tournaments though, but I won't raise every one, and position is much more important to me.

I usually see about 20% of the flops in tournaments that I go deep in.
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Seat 2: michael1123 showed [Kh 4h] and won ($2272.80) with a flush, Ace high

jbaig: michael u are so bad
jbaig: and u dont even know it
michael1123: cool
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I'm watching these 2 games now- it's amazing too me how much chit chat goes on. Nice 17K stack there Michael. That must defer some of those other destackings at least. This is high drama.

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i have a question about a couple of the players over at high stakes starz..
one is called elky, and the other rekrul. They both used to be famous starcraft pro's and other games online, i was wondering if its the same people?
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Old 05-13-2005, 04:18 AM #18 (permalink)  
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they are the same people who used to play starcraft.
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Wow, it's sexy to even read these hand histories
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Seat 2: michael1123 showed [Kh 4h] and won ($2272.80) with a flush, Ace high

jbaig: michael u are so bad
jbaig: and u dont even know it
michael1123: cool
Yep, that could well be Quote of the Millennium!
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do you have the hand history of when you took down a 10k pot with a set of 2s when the guy called off his 5k stack with bottom pair of 2s because you got him on tilt by bluffing the 4 card flush then showing it? i think it happened maybe a week or 2 ago when i was watching the table... i just found it hilarious that he kept reraising you with bottom pair until his stack of $5000 was gone
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i have a question about a couple of the players over at high stakes starz..
one is called elky, and the other rekrul. They both used to be famous starcraft pro's and other games online, i was wondering if its the same people?
Really? When did online gaming legends cross into the field of Poker?

I just question because many of my friends who had at one time owned at one game or another now are very strong online poker players.
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I'm not a NL player (but I might start to dabble here and there) but I found these hand histories neat and I had a few questions for you micheal or anyone else that could answer these.

1) I notice that you aren't playing according to any set starting hands but are mostly playing suited cards (connected or not), connectors and are raising the same amount every time. Is this standard for you ie: do you ALWAYS raise 4x BB? Do you just play whatever you feel like (I'm specifically referring to the K3o hand)?

2) At what level can you start getting away from starting hands and play a style similar to this? I know this wouldn't fly at a $25 NL table, what about $100? $500?

3) Same deal goes for actual tourney playing. At what level of tourney does this play style/reads come more important than the starting cards? I mean, I don't think you'd be able to play like this in say a $5 buy-in MTT compared to a $100 buy-in or is tourney just that much different than ring?
The main reason to play more hands instead of hands that will connect better is to take advantage of weak-tight fish who are present. If you just keep playing premium hands, someone else will get their money before you do. I'm thinking more of certain tournaments now, but I'm sure it can apply to higher stakes ring games too. This strategy will not work against the type of player abundant at lower stakes who is in to call down or chase anything.

I would interested to hear the reasoning from someone else's point of view as well.

With tournaments, it's hard to label $5 MTT as X and $109 as Y, because the composition of the table can change as the tournament progresses. People can change styles when faced with cashing, or when blinds represent a greater % of stack, also certain types that were prevalent at the beginning may have mostly busted by the end which is why you should play more types of hands at the beginning if the dead money in your tournament consists of weak-tight players. Also, to get more of your money involved while the play is profitable, consider throwing in small raises, and calling more raises.
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i have a question about a couple of the players over at high stakes starz..
one is called elky, and the other rekrul. They both used to be famous starcraft pro's and other games online, i was wondering if its the same people?
Really? When did online gaming legends cross into the field of Poker?

I just question because many of my friends who had at one time owned at one game or another now are very strong online poker players.
My question went unanswerd.. don' tknow what you're asking me though. or if you're being sarcastic
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:58 PM #25 (permalink)  
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i have a question about a couple of the players over at high stakes starz..
one is called elky, and the other rekrul. They both used to be famous starcraft pro's and other games online, i was wondering if its the same people?
Really? When did online gaming legends cross into the field of Poker?

I just question because many of my friends who had at one time owned at one game or another now are very strong online poker players.
My question went unanswerd.. don' tknow what you're asking me though. or if you're being sarcastic
Yey, it's Bertrand and Rekrul. Many top bw-gamers jumped on poker early, like our swedish Willet and many others.
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Has anyone ever tracked the wins/losses of hollingol?
I play at poker stars , so when I noticed his chipstacks, I got curious and tracked him.

His losses for the last 2 days were just over $5000, from the 459 hands I tracked. And no, not from just 2 or 3 hands. It was a gradual loss over the 2 days. I only tracked maybe 10-20% of his total hands played, so he could have made a profit when I wasnt there. He obviously makes money (or owns an oil refinery), but his 'superhuman' reputation is a little grandiose.

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt he is one of the craftiest players around, but he would have more than one equal. In fairness too, I admit that I probably caught him on a bad run. I'm just showing you that no-one is impervious to defeat. He does look scary to play against though.
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h@ll was on a mad downswing late last year. He was even speaking of quitting.
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