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gabe
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03-21-2006, 12:54 PM
Post subject: SERIOUZLY wtf does he have
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i have him been reraising alot on the table, so maybe preflop i should have just reraised to make it easier......but ilikeaces86x hasn't gotten out of line really. i have no idea what he would ever play like this...hes bluffing right??
***** Hand History for Game 3788359685 *****
$600 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, March 21, 00:30:23 ET 2006
Table Table 96737 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bulldog_vn ( $773.31 )
Seat 2: roshstar ( $1743.02 )
Seat 5: ilikeaces86x ( $608.27 )
Seat 6: galactical ( $691.30 )
Seat 4: PrinsParis ( $978 )
Seat 3: KD227 ( $124 )
galactical posts small blind [$3].
bulldog_vn posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Qc Qd ]
roshstar folds.
KD227 folds.
PrinsParis folds.
ilikeaces86x raises [$20].
galactical calls [$17].
bulldog_vn folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 5h, Ts ]
galactical checks.
ilikeaces86x checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
galactical bets [$40].
ilikeaces86x raises [$120].
galactical calls [$80].
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
galactical checks.
ilikeaces86x is all-In.
galactical calls ????
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Gareth
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KQ - Semi Bluff raise on the turn - over bet on river with the nuts
just a thought........
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gabe
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yea i was definitely thinking the turn was a semibluff, but did he get there ? if he had Axh would he play the same? hmmm
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Warpe
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JJ fits the preflop raise. Think I would've reraised there.
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Rondavu
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I think he has you beat. He saw the turn action as your willingness to pay for showdown. He knows you're strong here. He puts your hand on the high range. I'm thinking he put you on AJ. He wants a call.
The thing I'm wondering is if you had AJ in that turn spot, would you let him get away with a semibluff reraise without 3-betting back? If he reads you somewhat passive then he might put you on a possible AJ and semibluff anyway. I'm leaning towards not believing the turn bet is a semibluff at all. It just doesn't fit unless it was a poorly thought out semibluff.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Renton
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He DOES like aces.
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gabe
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why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws
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gabe
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also, does the fact i was talking to him on AIM make him more likely to try to make a move?
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by gabe
why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws
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Why would you not bet into him with a blank flop?
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Renton
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Originally Posted by gabe
why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws
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If his read was that you like to cold call with big pairs, then he knows you can't be drawing, 'cept to two outs. Also, heads up, a check behind with AA isn't quite as dangerous. I think the danger is more than made up for by the deception the play creates.
I was just kidding about the aces though. I think KQ is the most possible holding.
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by gabe
why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws
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I don't protect against every draw. Sometimes I ignore the draw, based on a lot of different criteria. JJ doesn't check behind this flop regardless. AA is certainly capable.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Renton
If his read was that you like to cold call with big pairs, then he knows you can't be drawing, 'cept to two outs.
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yea.. my preflop call is stupid, especially considering i was reraising lots of people on the table. next time i play with him i'll go for blood!
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Renton
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by Renton
If his read was that you like to cold call with big pairs, then he knows you can't be drawing, 'cept to two outs.
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yea.. my preflop call is stupid, especially considering i was reraising lots of people on the table. next time i play with him i'll go for blood! |
so were you busted by aces's aces? Or did you lay down?
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gabe
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i called just so i could post the hand here and tell everyone what i lose to (or tell how great a call I made)
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Never played this high, so take this fwiw. If you think the possibility of him raising the turn on a semi-bluff is a good one, then why not shove it in? Also, given his button raise and depending on how lag he was playing, you have to include 55/66/TT in his range. If he was playing lag and opening a wide range from the button, I think you almost have to reraise this preflop, and be prepared to play for stacks on a safe flop.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg
Never played this high, so take this fwiw. If you think the possibility of him raising the turn on a semi-bluff is a good one, then why not shove it in?
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He would have to be VERY sure that it was a semibluff for this play to be profitable. This is what makes the semibluff play so powerful. If aces has KQ, he is ~~25% to win on the river with his 11 outs. So he has 25% equity in this pot. However, he'll fold to a push in this case, and hero will win only ~~150 bucks.
If aces is really on a set or aces, he will obviously insta-call your push and you will have 4% equity in a 1200 dollar pot.
So if aces is sitting on a monster even 10-20% of the time he makes this play, hero loses money by pushing over the top in the long run.
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ilikeaces86
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bwned
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Renton
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
bwned
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results?
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ilikeaces86
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I raised on the button with JJ. When he didn't Re-raise me preflop I was about 90% certain he had QQ-AA. So I checked the flop planning to fold to any bet or hit my 2 outer. My J came on the turn and I bwned him.
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gabe
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damn
he introduced camping for sets to ftr and he stacks me
but yea bwned fo real
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gabe
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i'm just gonna tell myself i had TT and played it fine, just got unlucky
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WildBobAA
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
When he didn't Re-raise me preflop I was about 90% certain he had QQ-AA.
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I'm curious to know why this is.
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What are 'good players' calling another 'good player' OOP with? TRAP
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gabe
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
When he didn't Re-raise me preflop I was about 90% certain he had QQ-AA.
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I'm curious to know why this is. |
i dont think i had just called a raise on the table before that. i think his range for me is just any pocket pair aa-22 here. i'm not reraising 22 from blinds, although i might fold it since i probably won't stack him when i hit a set.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
What are 'good players' calling another 'good player' OOP with? TRAP
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good players trap good players by reraising with a wide range preflop so that way the villian never knows when hero actually does have the big pair. thats why my preflop play was bad.
the tough tricky players aren't tricky because they don't rreaise preflop, they are tricky because they reraise lots of hands.
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lolzzz_321
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Yes, and when you just called the raise it set off bells and whistles.
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gabe
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hee haw etc etc w/e
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Renton
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It reminds me of one of the final tables that Tuan Le won on WPT (I'm not sure which one, or who his opponent heads-up was). Tuan raised and reraised with just about any reasonable hand (and some unreasonable ones), and didn't call or cold call a single time throughout the entire final table. Then when its heads up (actually I think he was against Eli Elezra), he picks up AA on the button, and just calls. He won hardly a single dime from Eli (and Eli had top pair) in that hand because his call was so odd.
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PO$$E$$ED
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easy fold on the river
re-raise preflop bet flop
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gabe
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Originally Posted by PO$$E$$ED
easy fold on the river
re-raise preflop bet flop
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woh thanks for analysis
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midas06
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I think the fact you were talking to him on aim would make his hand stronger to do this.
3rd level thinking yano?
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Bmxicle
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he is a rock, there is no third level, the only level i see is he has your QQ beat.
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ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by Bmxicle
he is a rock, there is no third level, the only level i see is he has your QQ beat.
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Dont listen to him anyone who is my opponent. I am the biggest LAG in the world.
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bigboy5540
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an easy fold. obvious he has two pair or better.
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im good at poker
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the type of "LAG" it's best folding QQ to when being reraised preflop... 
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