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gabe
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09-14-2006, 10:12 PM
Post subject: rivered flush, not sure what to do
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villian is solid. ive played with him alot but surprisingly enough we seem to avoid eachother. i havent seen him do much crazy stuff and same goes for him.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Hero ($1015)
SB ($976.25)
BB ($228)
UTG ($1646.91)
MP ($355.84)
CO ($1127)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 9. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG raises to $40, 2 folds, Hero calls $40, SB (poster) calls $35, 1 fold.
Flop: ($130) 8 , 5 , 5 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $95, Hero calls $95, SB folds.
Turn: ($320) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: ($320) J (2 players)
UTG bets $235, i push??
Final Pot: $555
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UG
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Solid player, paired board, flush hits and he bets big.......I'm not laying it down but I don't think I'm raising here either.
Call.
EDIT: Actually I can't find a boat here, chances are slim he has 88. Only thing we're scared of is a higher flush. This is one of those "better hands will call/push over your raise, and weaker hands will fold..."
So I still say call.
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Irisheyes
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Yeah I think push is good. The board makes a boat unlikely and our hand is pretty well concealed so there is value to be had.
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ilikeaces86
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I raise to 500 fold to a push.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
I raise to 500 fold to a push.
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do we get better value from that than just calling here?
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johnny_fish
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Do you have any read on his UTG play? What's his VP$P/PFR in general?
AA/KK seems very likely (99-QQ would bet the turn right?), and won't call your push often (depends on your image).
If it's close it's probably better to push since you're not showing down then.
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i havent seen him do much crazy stuff and same goes for him.
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Hmm.. Call.
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gabe
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hes probabyl like 20/15, more or less. no more than 23/18 and no less than 18/12
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Much of this hand depends on his calling range to a push, which depends on how he percieves you. If AJ, QQ+ will call a push here then I would move all in. If he is the kind of player who tends to make heroic call downs this is also a good spot to push. Since it was a backdoor flush and you only have 100bbs I think a push maximizes value from the hand.
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Bmxicle
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
I raise to 500 intending to fold to a push and call anyways .
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In all seriousness though, 88, 55, 22, jj all are possibilities here, along with akd, aqd, and all those higher flush hands. Over pairs qq-aa will also take this line, and may donk off to you on the river as it is a very curious line for any hand (except a runner runner flush which is unlikely) that isn't a bluff to take. However, i think qq-aa are the only hands you beat that will ever call you, and even then they may all fold. So my initial reaction to ug's post was "standard weak tight george  " but now that i have thought the hand through i completely agree with him. You obviously need to call here as he will bet a very large range here, but i don't see him calling your push with much.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Bmxicle
i don't see him calling your push with much.
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yea thats exactly what i was thinking. i pushed and right after i did i was thinking 'god dammit stupid push' but he folded after a few seconds. i think i was lucky that he didn't have a hand like he will whenever he calls me and i go broke.
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Bmxicle
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Now i may like this as a bluff (depending on alot of factors) but not with a hand that has showdown value.
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gabe
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great point
thats one of those things that people need to learn to do against known solid players
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aislephive
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Given your image Gabe I think the push isn't bad at all, many hands you beat will call.
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Just call against a solid reg. but against someone weak or with some other read then a push is good with your sneaky hand.
I've used villains line with flopped boats in the past. He also could have backed into an ace high flush.
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