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02-13-2006, 05:35 AM
Post subject: Playing marginal hands against LAGs
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5/10 Bodog. I get dealt 77 on the button in a 4-handed game. LAG on my right, who I just stacked with my aces the last hand (he had middle pair which he turned) limps in, I raise to $40, 2 folds, guy on my right calls.
Flop comes 3s-4s-6d. the guy checks, I bet $55, he check-raises to $160. I call. Turn comes a Kh. Guy instantly goes all in for around $800. Call or fold? Also, would you play any differently had you not stacked him with aces the hand before?
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Pingviini
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seems like a weird line for a set.. If your image is tightish he might expect you to have a K but that insta-AI doesnt support the idea that he was really interested on the turn card. I am not sure whether to call or fold here, he might have a weird two pair but he is playing that way too fast IMO. perhaps 65/76?
I usually play the same, I might, on the other hand even check that flop for pot control against a guy I just destacked because he will be playing back at you a lot and I wouldnt wanna play a big pot with 77 w/o hitting a set..
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mxiu
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I could see KQs being played this way.
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Pingviini
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Quote:
Flop comes 3s-4s-6d
Turn comes a Kh. Board still rainbow.
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Possy, is the board rainbow or with two spades, anyways I wouldnt call here. you will get your money in in better situation.
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Board had 2 spades. That's what happens when you don't proofread.
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I called. Results will be posted shortly.
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mxiu
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I wouldn't call either. That's not a nice situation to be sticking your money in. I personally wouldn't raise it preflop either though. 77 is a hand I'd rather just fish a set with, even on button. If all unders come like this, that's when you start playing some poker.
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arkana
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Originally Posted by mxiu
I wouldn't call either. That's not a nice situation to be sticking your money in. I personally wouldn't raise it preflop either though. 77 is a hand I'd rather just fish a set with, even on button. If all unders come like this, that's when you start playing some poker.
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Its a 4-handed 5/10 game, you will get run over if you play this weak.
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PO$$E$$ED
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Originally Posted by mxiu
I wouldn't call either. That's not a nice situation to be sticking your money in. I personally wouldn't raise it preflop either though. 77 is a hand I'd rather just fish a set with, even on button. If all unders come like this, that's when you start playing some poker.
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"Get your money in when a better situation presents itself" is an argument I hear often, and I think it hardly has any merit. Poker is a game based on reads and percentages, with an emphasis on the former. In this case, I felt I was either way behind or a 2-1 favorite (a flushdraw w/ 2 overcards to my sevens). I knew it was unlikely he would play 88-QQ like this. His actions were consistent with a big draw, and I didn't think the king helped him- there's no reason for him to play even AK that fast, wouldn't he want 77-QQ staying now once he hit? It was $800 to call into what would be a 2k pot, I only had to be right more than 2 out of 5 times for the call to be correct. I was confident he would have a flush draw (without a king) here at least half the time, so the pot was laying me good enough odds to justify a thin call. I called, he flipped over 6s-9s, the river came a queen (3s-4s-6d-Kh-Qh), and I took down the pot with my sevens. His insta-AI was just begging for a fold, I just couldn't let go of my monster.
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zenbitz
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I am slowly, slowing learning to recognize the c/r (called by hero) all in as a move.
I think because why I might c/r bluff, I am not likely to follow it up with a push, figuring villians have to call at this point.
Given that... is there merit to playing AK/KK like villian plays 69s in this hand? Clearly "all in will only get called by better hands" DOES NOT apply! I suppose we are all r/r pKK and probably AK pre-flop 4-handed.
I wonder how good villian has to be to call the push with 2nd pair here?
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by zenbitz
I am slowly, slowing learning to recognize the c/r (called by hero) all in as a move.
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Power moves are relative to the player in their meaning obviously. Relative to the player and the villain tendancies, running image. Therefore I think a recognition needs to be multilayered. Make sure you know what he expects you to do before making a choice.
I only played 1000NL one time, and played very TAGG. A couple times people reraised me as a mistake for reading me nitty, when I was just getting my feet wet. One guy open pushed a blank river for my $800 stack after the turn completed a flush and I checked behind. I evaluated my image and decided I was too tight for this guy not to extract value instead of pushing a made flush in this spot. I had too much respect for that. he was playing against my tight image. I snapped him off and doubled up.
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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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mxiu
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Disregard my post. I thought it was a full ring game.
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