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Genitruc
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09-02-2009, 11:04 PM
Post subject: out of my league
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game is 5-max 5-10
i got it in vs villain w AQ on 68Q fd board earlier and sucked out vs his 68 and he tilt-chatted for a bit. i know nothing about villain besides the fact that he s a reg and can spew pre (he 5-bet shoved 89o in a blind war earlier)
eff stacks are 2.8k
I flat his HJ raise w   on btn and we see the flop HU
Flop is    he c bets 55 into 80 I raise to 211 he INSTA makes it 715
help
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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I don't think folding here on a paired board is the end of the world.
None of the other options seem overly good to me here.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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I fold, but I really just stopped by to hate on your title because I've been singing patrick swayze for two days now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2qnu...eature=related
what will be horrible is when all you young guys reply with "Who is patrick swayze and what's this dirty dancing?"
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Alexos
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i usually just call his cbet
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IowaSkinsFan
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I'd just fold. Like the rest.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by Alexos
i usually just call his cbet
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I probably would as well most of the time and now you can't do anything other than fold.
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nutsinho
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wait, people raise this flop? lol
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Genitruc
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is it really that unnecessary to have a flop raising range this deep in this spot?
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Originally Posted by Genitruc
is it really that unnecessary to have a flop raising range this deep in this spot?
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sure, trips, quads, random air (stuff you wouldn't think about mucking to a 3b)
I would call because we have showdown value, and a non-nut draw
when he has like KJ unimproved or 67 or whatever the fuck sometimes we get to show ace high down
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IowaSkinsFan
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wait, people raise this flop? lol
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I'm not sure if you mean with this hand or any hand but im starting to think you mean any hand...?
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Alexos
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^^ yeah id think so
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griffey24
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Why is it bad to raise this flop (aside from repping a narrow range), when he conceivably has tons of hands that might continue to the raise (J9,KJ, Ak/AJ even, Qx etc), but that might not continue to further barrels.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Genitruc
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ya that s what i was asking
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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nutsinho
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i meant with A2dd
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Genitruc
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ok thx
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Alexos
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hmm, can we rephrase?
Is it really necessary to have a raising range on this flop? If it is, wouldn't it mostly be weighted towards air given the unlikelihood we have Tx?
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Nine to five is how to survive - I ain't trying to survive / I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot //
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Alexos
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Also I'm not a fan of having a balanced range for doing it, this deep
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Nine to five is how to survive - I ain't trying to survive / I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot //
Can offer RB deals on most sites, PM me.
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Originally Posted by Alexos
hmm, can we rephrase?
Is it really necessary to have a raising range on this flop? If it is, wouldn't it mostly be weighted towards air given the unlikelihood we have Tx?
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raise when you have the nuts
who cares if it's unbalanced, if you posted raising with air everyone would be like "lol no one would believe you here" etc etc so obviously raising with the nuts must be good?!
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Renton
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yeah i wouldn't raise flop but i don't think its a terrible play, just not sure why you mashed pot.
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nutsinho
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it IS actually quite terrible because we fold out almost all of his worse draws on the flop and we have showdown value. The only good part about raising is that you almost never get 3bet. Let's just raise with 79dd and complete air instead, and apply lots of pressure with those hands. Play your best draws for value.
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ESS123
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fold as played. call flop i think, raise your weaker draws
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