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Old 07-30-2008, 03:41 PM     Post subject: Mezmerize tries some goofy bet size, my move? #1 (permalink)  
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 I mean, im pretty sure he is going for value here and calling a c/r. I'm just wondering if you think this could be like QQ or KK or w/e is there enough value to c/r?
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Table 'Sulaphat' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Marius2910 ($1885.20 in chips)
Seat 2: MezmerizePLZ ($985 in chips)
Seat 3: Dvornick ($1204 in chips)
Seat 4: heybude ($1395 in chips)
Seat 5: Geert99 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 6: funfect39 ($935 in chips)
heybude: posts small blind $5
Geert99: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Kc Js]
funfect39: folds
Marius2910: folds
MezmerizePLZ: raises $20 to $30
Dvornick: folds
heybude: calls $25
Geert99: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh 5s 6s]
heybude: checks
MezmerizePLZ: bets $50
heybude: calls $50
*** TURN *** [Jh 5s 6s] [Jc]
heybude: checks
MezmerizePLZ: bets $120
heybude: calls $120
*** RIVER *** [Jh 5s 6s Jc] [3c]
heybude: checks
MezmerizePLZ: bets $120
heybude:
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:53 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 since u called from the sb, he's probably not putting you on a jack, so I'd probably jam to rep the bluff, or make it a bit smaller if u have history such that you think a smaller raise would be better. Then again, he could just have 55/66 and be trying to max value your entire range if he's as good as I've been told.
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Old 07-30-2008, 04:47 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I think this is 99+ a lot looking for some value out of worse pps. Looks like he bets this amount to induce a bluffraise. Your hand is very underrepped so I like a shove imo
 
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Old 07-30-2008, 05:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 07-30-2008, 05:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't get your turn and river lines.
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Old 07-30-2008, 06:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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id make it 400

i always lead the turn when have KQ or a7 or 89 or spades so maybe a good spot to lead with Jx too!
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Old 07-30-2008, 08:09 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I don't get your turn and river lines.
So you lead turn and river?

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i always lead the turn when have KQ or a7 or 89 or spades so maybe a good spot to lead with Jx too!
So gabe what is your c/c flop, lead range on the turn?
 
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:00 PM #8 (permalink)  
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id make it 400

i always lead the turn when have KQ or a7 or 89 or spades so maybe a good spot to lead with Jx too!
Damn normally I'm pretty keen on balance but i missed that. I'd def play those close to the same as well.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:18 AM #9 (permalink)  
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So gabe what is your c/c flop, lead range on the turn?
i just kinda outlined... air that i c/c flop with or trips+
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:37 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 isn't c/c and leading river when the turn checks through generally better than c/c lead?

i'd think taht would at least be easier to achieve balance at
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:51 AM #11 (permalink)  
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its easier to balance doing that, but that doesnt make it better
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:01 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 well i understand that with checking turn you open yourself up to being barreled and you don't have as much threat as when you lead. It's just I rarely have enough of a handle on my opponent's tendencies to know how he'll react to a c/c lead, so therefore its something i'd only feel comfortable doing with air or a big hand.

To do it with a flush draw seems bad just because it puts us in a position to be outplayed by air if villain so desires. The stacks usually aren't right nor is the equity high enough for us to just autob3b a draw.

In my experience this play has only worked well for me when the turncard is a significant change to the texture (like in this hand), but its not a play I'd "plan" on making on a blank when i c/c flop.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:17 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 ugh i just realized that maybe you meant you lead all those hands on THIS turn, and that you don't c/c flop with the intention of leading a blank turn.

care to clear that up, ty
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:46 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i was talking about THIS turn.

"It's just I rarely have enough of a handle on my opponent's tendencies to know how he'll react to a c/c lead"
since people dont do it much, most avg tags dont have established tendencies (they are usually just confused when they see it) so its a good thing to mix in to mess with opponents. if ill remember ill try to post all the hands i do it when i play a sesh tomorrow
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:04 PM #15 (permalink)  
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danny with ur image id jam fast

also ur preflop call costs u a lot of money
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:16 PM #16 (permalink)  
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even with the fish in the to act after? no way it costs "alot of money." if its a mistake at all its a very small one provided he plays decent postflop
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:19 PM #17 (permalink)  
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true with fish its a small mistake and its fine if fish plays like shit or regular is weaker/looser than mezz, i was kinda saying in general
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