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ilikeaces86

10-05-2005, 05:42 AM Post subject: Meh I feel like a moron

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PokerStars Game #2730456677: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2005/10/05 - 01:31:33 (ET)
Table 'Gismonda II' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: CAsunglitz ($375 in chips)
Seat 2: mannchild ($1891.70 in chips)
Seat 3: preposterous ($1047 in chips)
Seat 5: Lyric ($1669.50 in chips)
Seat 6: ilikeaces86 ($1126 in chips)
Seat 7: THADIOUS38 ($1548 in chips)
Seat 8: nechitacc ($1210.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Piquette ($1749 in chips)
Lyric: posts small blind $5
ilikeaces86: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ilikeaces86 [Ah Ad]
THADIOUS38: raises $40 to $50
nechitacc: raises $70 to $120
Piquette: folds
CAsunglitz: folds
mannchild: folds
preposterous: folds
Lyric: folds
ilikeaces86: raises $120 to $240
THADIOUS38: folds
nechitacc: calls $120
*** FLOP *** [2d 2h Kc]
ilikeaces86: checks
nechitacc: bets $120
ilikeaces86: calls $120
*** TURN *** [2d 2h Kc] [3s]
ilikeaces86: checks
nechitacc: bets $250
ilikeaces86: calls $250
*** RIVER *** [2d 2h Kc 3s] [Th]
ilikeaces86: checks
THADIOUS38 is sitting out
nechitacc: bets $600.50 and is all-in
ilikeaces86: calls $516 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nechitacc: shows [Kh Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Deuces)
ilikeaces86: mucks hand
nechitacc collected $2304 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2307 | Rake $3
Board [2d 2h Kc 3s Th]
Seat 1: CAsunglitz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mannchild folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: preposterous (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Lyric (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: ilikeaces86 (big blind) mucked [Ah Ad]
Seat 7: THADIOUS38 folded before Flop
Seat 8: nechitacc showed [Kh Kd] and won ($2304) with a full house, Kings full of Deuces
Seat 9: Piquette folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Do you fold the flop given the action preflop or do you play it same way I do? I just feel like I was too damn stubborn. This voice in the back of my head kept saying that I got in 1/4 my stack preflop who cares while my other voice was saying fold you moron you know he has KK.

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ender555

10-05-2005, 07:05 AM

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i hate when you know you're beat but you're just hoping he has AK because you want the pot so you call. Tough hand, i'm sure you'll be able to fold it next time.

It seemed like you knew you were beat so you just checked flop, but then u called him down. by the turn/river it was sure kk, ak would've slowed down a long time ago.

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10-05-2005, 10:04 AM

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How often does AK re-raise like that pre-flop in that game?

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lamaros

10-12-2005, 07:46 AM

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I'd have to raise somewhere to see where I'm at, try and get a read; I hate calling down.

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10-12-2005, 08:37 AM

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I'd have to raise somewhere to see where I'm at, try and get a read; I hate calling down.

Opponents are entirely capable of smooth calling with a hand that beats yours in a lot of different circumstances. That's why "raising for information often doesn't work.

Do you honestly think this guy would have reraised with kings full if he got raised?

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10-12-2005, 09:21 AM

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I had a AA vs KK last night where the opp hit the K on the turn. In the back of my mind I knew he had KK, but another part of my brain was going "he didnt have any odds, bla bla bla".

That said, if you reraise the flop, does he realy smooth call without KK? Even if he has AK he should be aware of AA, no?

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10-14-2005, 04:51 PM

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I think that with the way the betting went preflop you knew what he had and he knew what you had - so in that case i think it is a fold on the flop - unless you have some read on this player that would make you think otherwise.

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10-14-2005, 09:39 PM

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I'd raise more preflop. Its just way too obvious that you have AA after a minrereraise. Maybe you'd be able to get it all in preflop with a bigger raise.

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10-14-2005, 09:56 PM

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a min reraise would have been to 190, he made 240

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10-14-2005, 11:59 PM

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I would reraise more preflop, but the money is going in most of the times unless you really trust your read and can fold AA in this spot. That would be pretty impressive.

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10-15-2005, 09:47 PM

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a min reraise would have been to 190, he made 240

Yippee ... its basically the same thing. That's still the scariest possible raise to the KK, and would almost certainly scare him off from reraising again. I much prefer making it around 400, which would make it extremely tempting for the KK to put you all in preflop.

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10-15-2005, 10:06 PM

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I agree with Michael here. Also I call this down unless I know my opp VERY well.

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okietalker

10-19-2005, 06:42 PM

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Chris,
I keep telling you if you get that sort of preflop action you have to make the hand at least an automatic push on the flop. But, preferably an all in preflop. You want him to make a BIG mistake.

By betting it up big in small increments you are making the play of your opponents profitable in the long term. Providing he is smart enough to see that you have AA and fold if he doesn't set.

$400 is the least you can reraise it to here.

Just my opinion (and I'm probably wrong) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

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10-19-2005, 06:53 PM

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$400 is the least you can reraise it to here.

$300 flat protects his stack.

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