Originally Posted by Renton

I don't know if raising this flop texture this thinly accomplishes much for you when u are ip.

The main reason we play top pair type hands aggressively on the flop is to justify an increase in our bluff frequency. That isn't super necessary here because there aren't that many hands we are going to want to bluff raise on this flop. Most of the time we'll be floating him when we decide to bluff. I think having sets/overpairs and maybe AQ in our range is enough combinations to allow us to bluff raise plenty.

Also I think playing tpgk fast like this has much less value when in position. If u were check raising him from the blinds he might bet call any gutshot or pair, but out of position you are forcing him to fold those hands.



I guess as played I'd check and call river or bet when checked to, but I really don't like how we've manipulated his range up to this point.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Nice. I don't raise this flop very much either but this was the first time ive played him sooooo i decided to raise bcuz i felt it could be either played back at or called lightly (less so the ladder)

Originally Posted by Renton

bair why can't we be giving up on a bluff?

Originally Posted by bair

we can, but then when we bet the river, his calling range is manipulated strictly on what the river card is, putting us in a situation where we dont have probable value in a spot where i feel we have guaranteed value. this is obviously because if we were giving up on a bluff, for us to bet the river something must have changed.