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Old 08-11-2009, 02:37 PM     Post subject: Interesting hand versus random regular #1 (permalink)  
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 Opp is LukeBehanger18 which some of you may know more of, although I personally don't know much about him. Playing loose and aggro but I really haven't seen much of any hands he has been playing.

What do you do on the flop and whats your plan for the rest of the hand?

Thoughts: If I threebet he will have to put me squarely on JT and will likely not be able to fold anything significant if a flush card doesn't come.

But if I call I widen my range significantly and he is able to continue bluffs in his bizarre line. Flush cards likely kill my action either way. Also, it gives me the oppurtunity because we are deep to shove over a river bet and rep a missed fd. (SPR seems like it will be somewhere in between 1.5 to 1 and 2 to 1 for him.

Plan if an Ace, King or Queen comes?

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Seat 1: giongler346 ($9,380.20)
Seat 2: dutch_maniak ($3,970)
Seat 3: LuldeBehanger18 ($4,087)
Seat 5: GermanValley ($4,000), is sitting out
Seat 6: Mirttinur ($4,817)
LuldeBehanger18 posts the small blind of $10
Mirttinur posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mirttinur [Jc Ts]
giongler346 folds
dutch_maniak folds
LuldeBehanger18 raises to $60
Mirttinur calls $40
*** FLOP *** [Ah Qd Kd]
LuldeBehanger18 checks
Mirttinur bets $100
LuldeBehanger18 has 15 seconds left to act
LuldeBehanger18 has requested TIME
LuldeBehanger18 raises to $340
Mirttinur has 15 seconds left to act
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Old 08-11-2009, 06:49 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 It's probably a good call considering that if a Q,K, or A come you can safely give up cause i doubt he'll bluff them. And he's probably not bluffing. You can play the hand perfectly.
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:26 PM #3 (permalink)  

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Seat 2 and 3 are dutch people. "luldebehanger" actually means cock stain in English. Just wanted to let you know, probably not relevant....
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Seat 2 and 3 are dutch people. "luldebehanger" actually means cock stain in English. Just wanted to let you know, probably not relevant....
lol thanks dude thats awesome, I always read it as luke for some reason.
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Old 08-12-2009, 02:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 lol awesome.

Is villain the type that might spazz over a small 3bet on the flop? If he is, then I think I like that play the best, since there are still potentially a lot of bad turn cards to come (any card T+ or any diamond).
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Old 08-13-2009, 12:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 I don't remember when I last saw a hand where we held the nuts IP and still kindof hated life. 23 bad turn cards out of 47 (probably only 21/47 actually since villain is very likely to hold two of them).

After really thinking about this I still prefer a small 3bet, partly because we hate half the deck, but also because he took a line that will make him assume that we will perceive his range as polarized. He will have a pretty hard time folding his value range because he can't be sure exactly what we think of his line. I don't hate a small 3bet bluff with some weakish draw here either.

It's only about 23% likely that we will still hold the nuts on the river (and need to use both cards for it). We can put money in now with a huge equity advantage and I don't think we can just throw that away because we want to widen our flatting range, even though it's a decent argument. We can flat this 10% and 3bet 90% and still have the nuts in our flatting range.
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Old 08-13-2009, 01:41 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I think that was really good thinking moment) but not alltime)) Just 1 situation for this move
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lol awesome.

Is villain the type that might spazz over a small 3bet on the flop? If he is, then I think I like that play the best, since there are still potentially a lot of bad turn cards to come (any card T+ or any diamond).
I think its rare that one would find an idiot who would spazz over a 3bet.

Also, as i said in my first post. Think about what cards come, He's not gonna bluff an A, K, or Q on three streets, and he probably doesn't have a flush draw. If the flush hits you still probably get 2 more streets of value, you wont stack him but you make up for it by being able wait til the equity is more defined.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:08 AM #9 (permalink)  
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lol awesome.

Is villain the type that might spazz over a small 3bet on the flop? If he is, then I think I like that play the best, since there are still potentially a lot of bad turn cards to come (any card T+ or any diamond).
I think its rare that one would find an idiot who would spazz over a 3bet.

Also, as i said in my first post. Think about what cards come, He's not gonna bluff an A, K, or Q on three streets, and he probably doesn't have a flush draw. If the flush hits you still probably get 2 more streets of value, you wont stack him but you make up for it by being able wait til the equity is more defined.
We've got to love our equity right here on the flop, no? If a diamond falls or the board pairs, then our equity isn't that well defined at all. I also don't see how we are able to get two more streets of value if we b/c a flushdraw flop and the flush hits.
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 Well I don't think he puts much more money in with KQ if you 3 bet either. Like Max said he's gonna play straightforward on a lot of turn/river combos and there ares till tons of blanks in the deck that we will get value from. You're range as a whole here is much better off if you flat as well with J10.



 
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Old 08-14-2009, 11:17 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 This is an easy raise

Villain's range is tight and tons of scare/shutdown cards can come. If he's bluffing then don't put a 4bet spaz past him

In order for a call to be better than a raise you gotta think he's bluffing often, will continue often, and you won't fold to scare cards. Allowing yourself to fold this hand later is dumb. Since scare cards are actually scary it means that he's not bluffing often, won't continue often, and his range is tight enough that you should just try to get it in
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Old 08-15-2009, 08:19 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Well I don't think he puts much more money in with KQ if you 3 bet either. Like Max said he's gonna play straightforward on a lot of turn/river combos and there ares till tons of blanks in the deck that we will get value from. You're range as a whole here is much better off if you flat as well with J10.
I'm not quite convinced that we even need a b/c range here. At least I wouldn't knowingly sacrifice EV just to be better balanced in this kind of rare spot. We can stack a set and quite possibly a good flushdraw if we 3bet.
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Old 08-15-2009, 09:27 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 There are so many good arguments here in favor of 3betting the flop.

Here are some random ones:

BvB, loose/aggro villain, we only rep JT (fo value), we're deep, we have the nuts, we're not a nit (i think), its a fairly drawy board, its unlikely he keeps bluffing on many turns (imo), a lot of turns will instead hurt us...

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Old 08-15-2009, 02:40 PM #14 (permalink)  

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I think our best line is to call the flop raise. This villain is capable of raising with complete air and will bet the turn with air, and will follow thru with a large river bet (possibly a shove) if no scare cards show. I think by calling the Flop raise we have the best chance of stacking the villain.
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