|
Numbr2intheWorld
|
10-08-2008, 04:40 PM
Post subject: I might be thinking too hard...
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,561
|
|
Villain is gith who i really haven't played much with lately but from a datamine i have him at 16/13/3 with 3-bet of 4%. I thought the call preflop is standard. I'm also really not sure whether he reacts to minraises by 3-betting more, less or the same.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($945)
BB ($1255)
UTG ($2053)
MP ($1133)
CO ($1030)
Hero (Button) ($1192)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Q , J
3 folds, Hero raises to $20, SB raises to $70, BB calls $60, Hero calls $50
Flop: ($210) 10 , 7, Q (3 players)
SB bets $140, 1 fold, Hero folds
Total pot: $210 | Rake: $3
I thought my problem here is that i'm rarely calling this flop with a strong hand against this sort of action, and that's what he probably assumes. I'm not gonna call a double barrel. So i thought my range was ridiculously exploitable and most players will take advantage. But is this illogical in position?
Also i considered that in itself his betting range is pretty damn strong.
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
nutsinho
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
Posts: 3,280
|
|
sexy
|
|
My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
|
|
griffey24
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
Posts: 4,611
|
|
If we're folding on a Q high board, and we're folding to most double barrels then I'd rather just fold pre really. No harm in that to such a big nit?
|
|
|
|
pocketfours
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lighting sweet moneys on fire.
Posts: 2,166
|
|
|
|
|
|
Alexos
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Montreal
Posts: 2,766
|
|
"Also i considered that in itself his betting range is pretty damn strong. "
Agree with this, I also am a firm believer that people do not think as deeply as you think they do, thus folding here and playing QJs this way is unexploitable vs 99% of regs.
|
|
Nine to five is how to survive - I ain't trying to survive / I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot //
Can offer RB deals on most sites, PM me.
|
|
pocketfours
|
|
10-08-2008, 06:37 PM
Post subject: Re: I might be thinking too hard...
|
#6 (permalink)
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lighting sweet moneys on fire.
Posts: 2,166
|
|
btw if flop was 9, 8, Q, then I'd certainly play.
|
|
|
|
griffey24
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
Posts: 4,611
|
|
I mean.. I really don't get why people aren't just saying to muck this pre. The guy is a mega nit with a 3-bet % of 4! If a lot of money gets in on any J high or Q high flop, we're never happy about it.
The only flops that we like are like 9Tx or like spades. Even KT probably isn't great, as he'll prob have a piece that likes it and have little fold equity anyhow.
meh.. I don't know... maybe I just fold to too many 3bets...
|
|
|
|
mixchange
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 1,665
|
|
G, cuz a lot of mega nits still like to 3bet a lot in the blinds and then play like a nit post flop
|
|
|
|
IowaSkinsFan
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 7,148
|
|
I think he's a lot more aggro then that.
|
|
|
|
pocketfours
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lighting sweet moneys on fire.
Posts: 2,166
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by griffey24
I mean.. I really don't get why people aren't just saying to muck this pre. The guy is a mega nit with a 3-bet % of 4! If a lot of money gets in on any J high or Q high flop, we're never happy about it.
The only flops that we like are like 9Tx or like spades. Even KT probably isn't great, as he'll prob have a piece that likes it and have little fold equity anyhow.
meh.. I don't know... maybe I just fold to too many 3bets...
|
Getting huge pot odds for playing in position against predictable opponents with a hand that plays well in multiway pots. I don't mind a fold, but I certainly don't mind a call either.
|
|
|
|
ilikeaces86
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,141
|
|
spew pre.
|
|
|
|
IowaSkinsFan
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 7,148
|
|
Lol yeah forgot to comment I think it actually is a call pre but based on datamined 3bet% folding would seem more correct. Gith has always been pretty aggro versus me at least.
|
|
|
|
Numbr2intheWorld
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,561
|
|
it was only like 200 mined hands fwiw
|
|
|
|
Genitruc
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,463
|
|
this is too good for me
|
|
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
|
|
Genitruc
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,463
|
|
random Q : are you raising a low flop with 2 spades?
|
|
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
|
|
dsaxton
|
|
10-12-2008, 05:29 PM
Post subject: Re: I might be thinking too hard...
|
#16 (permalink)
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 2,667
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Massimo
I thought my problem here is that i'm rarely calling this flop with a strong hand against this sort of action, and that's what he probably assumes. I'm not gonna call a double barrel. So i thought my range was ridiculously exploitable and most players will take advantage.
|
I think this is an argument for not folding on the turn if he bets again and / or slow-playing strong hands on this flop, not an argument for folding the flop.
I think the main reason for folding the flop is just the fact that his range is super strong, like you mentioned.
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
06-01-2012, 11:03 AM White House Responds to Poker Players Alliance's Petition
Linear Mode
