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Old 07-25-2008, 12:27 AM     Post subject: I have you beat... fold your jacks.. #1 (permalink)  
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-this hand happened vs me and a regular taggy player
-We haven't had many hands together today, though I know he 3-bets pretty light at times (weak suited aces etc) and also squeezes pretty often
-we're somewhat deep on this table and another table. I 3-bet him once while deep on the other table and he 4-bet me and I folded
-this is the first time I've 4-bet him this session and I can't recall him every flatting a 4-bet of mine before, and especially not OOP

-My hand is :Kc: :Qd: , but I'm trying to figure out the most believable line to fold a hand like JJ (assuming villain can fold JJ).
-We have no real history in 4-bet pots together, so he has no history on how I might value bet or bluff in this kind of spot
-If I'm set on bluffing one more street, which scenario is the best for ME

$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG Jibby147 ($205.30)
UTG+1 123hardt ($286.39)
CO Scooby82 ($493.00)
BTN ME ($840.65)
SB Jas0707 ($517.40)
BB YOU ($899.55)

Pre-flop: ($7, 6 players) YOU are BB :Jd: :Jc:
3 folds, ME raises to $15, Jas0707 calls $13, YOU raises to $65, ME raises to $155, Jas0707 folds, YOU calls $90

SCENARIO 1
Flop: ($325, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

Turn: ($605, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $395, YOU...




SCENARIO 2
Flop: ($325, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

Turn: ($605, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $556 and is all-in, YOU...



SCENARIO 3
Flop: ($325, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

Turn: ($605, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME checks

River: ($605, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $395, YOU...



SCENARIO 4
Flop: ($325, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $140, YOU calls $140

Turn: ($605, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME checks

River: ($605, 2 players)
YOU checks, ME bets $556 and is all-in, YOU...
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Old 07-25-2008, 12:33 AM #2 (permalink)  
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The turn bet is more believable. I don't think it matters much either way how much you bet as long as it's over half pot.

In any case, if he called your 4-bet with Jacks because he thinks your FoS. He's probably not going to fold an over-pair in an under 3 SPR pot.
 
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:37 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I agree, I don't think he's going to fold JJ to you ever here.


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