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zook
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09-28-2007, 04:55 PM
Post subject: I don't understand your line...
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Villain is 21/16/3.8 over ~1k hands but I have no reads. Give him credit for J9 here? Or slowplayed set?
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $5/$10 - 6 players - Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $1880
Hero: $2849
CO: $2556
Button: $1419.50
SB: $990
BB: $1129
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K  Q 
UTG folds, Hero raises to $35, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: 2  Q T ($110, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $90, Button folds, BB calls.
Turn: 8 ($290, 2 players)
BB bets $240, Hero...
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IowaSkinsFan
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he has a straight or two pair.
I fold.
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sauce123
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sucks. I prolly call and fold to a lot of river shoves
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Halv
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Originally Posted by sauce123
sucks. I prolly call and fold to a lot of river shoves
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I do this alot, but I always end up thinking "why didnt I just fold turn". On this board there are so many ugly cards to come on the river. He's gonna be able to bluff us (or vb if he hits) alot if he hasn't got us beat right now and we'll check behind the second best if he does. I like a fold.
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
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Originally Posted by sauce123
sucks. I prolly call and fold to a lot of river shoves
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I do this alot, but I always end up thinking "why didnt I just fold turn". On this board there are so many ugly cards to come on the river. He's gonna be able to bluff us (or vb if he hits) alot if he hasn't got us beat right now and we'll check behind the second best if he does. I like a fold. |
i normally fold also but hes representing exactly J9.
the more i look at this the more i want to call and call any non spade river
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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IowaSkinsFan
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I doubt opp is bluffing but if he is no doubt he is going to bet the turn and river and you're going to have to call both streets.
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sauce123
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I doubt opp is bluffing but if he is no doubt he is going to bet the turn and river and you're going to have to call both streets.
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its a mistake to assume ur opp will not make a mistake
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by sauce123
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I doubt opp is bluffing but if he is no doubt he is going to bet the turn and river and you're going to have to call both streets.
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its a mistake to assume ur opp will not make a mistake |
I'm just trying to get into his head, if he's bluffing here I'd think his thought process is he can rep two pair or a straight and if he doesnt raise the turn he'll have to fold river.
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crazycrazy
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if he is creative aggro then only credit i give him is for having balls to float me oop like that and shove him right there. as always depends on player i can call or fold depending on what i expect them to do on river with missed draws.
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crazycrazy
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....frankly, last thingi give him credit for is j9/set there
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sauce123
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crazycrazy- plz stop using emotional vocabulary when trying to talk logically about poker situations...
yes, he "has the balls" to do whatever he wants.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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how often would someone of this type in this game be expected to raise the flop with J9?
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There are a few hands here that you beat but i'd just fold right here.
And you should consider folding pre if your table is tight with these stack sizes.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Massimo
And you should consider folding pre
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I see your reasoning but this can't be correct.
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crazycrazy
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Originally Posted by sauce123
crazycrazy- plz stop using emotional vocabulary when trying to talk logically about poker situations...
yes, he "has the balls" to do whatever he wants.
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 alright but cmon dont be so tight about vocabulary... balls=courage thats all there is to that sentence. isnt important what the post says and not how is it said ?
it is all courage and thats a good spot for agro to semibluff and win it right there and as u see nits suggest folding TPGK right there  so it works...
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zook
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Originally Posted by crazycrazy
isnt important what the post says and not how is it said ?
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Yes. But your three posts in this thread have said nothing. First you said you could raise, call or fold depending on the player. Great insight, esp when I said I had no reads. Second you said you don't think he has a set or J9 but gave no reasoning. Third you said balls=courage. 
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IowaSkinsFan
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pwned.
Results plz.
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zook
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I folded, but it didn't feel good. I think QJ and non-nut flush draws are in his range here along with J9 and I can't imagine he's c/c'ing this flop with TT/22/QT.
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crazycrazy
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Originally Posted by zook
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Originally Posted by crazycrazy
isnt important what the post says and not how is it said ?
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Yes. But your three posts in this thread have said nothing. First you said you could raise, call or fold depending on the player. Great insight, esp when I said I had no reads. Second you said you don't think he has a set or J9 but gave no reasoning. Third you said balls=courage. |
then u should reread them again i said how i can play this against agro and why...and maybe its +EV or maybe i'm wrong.. i'm just giving some ideas... i missed out u had no reads - i think i mixed the reads from other thread about some agro. big deal. its stated how i would play it against agro. about j9/set, if u dont understand what 'last thing i give him credit for xyz' which means that its only part of his range for taking some action then sry. gl.
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gabe
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i hate folding top pair here
and i would prob call a river blank
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Genitruc
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maybe this is a little to fancy but seems like this could be a big draw betting big so you don't raise unless you have a mega-monster (what do you do with AA-KK here?)
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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IowaSkinsFan
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I think I may start using this lead line more as i keep thinking to myself its never a bluff.
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