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Old 06-27-2005, 10:56 AM     Post subject: How do u play this? 10/20 NL #1 (permalink)  
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$2000 NL Hold'em - Monday, June 27, 06:51:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 52029 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: Jeppedepp ( $2834 )
Seat 8: supraliminal ( $8035 )
Seat 10: herestoya ( $3686.42 )
Seat 5: Extratopping ( $2817 )
Seat 2: GambleItUp ( $1980 )
Seat 6: silly_point ( $1960 )
Seat 3: tiwana7 ( $742 )
Seat 9: StuDaKid ( $1970 )
Seat 1: producerasia ( $360 )
Seat 7: josshouse ( $1980 )
herestoya posts small blind [$10].
producerasia posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ Kc Ac ]
GambleItUp calls [$20].
tiwana7 calls [$20].
Jeppedepp folds.
Extratopping raises [$80].
silly_point folds.
josshouse folds.
supraliminal folds.
StuDaKid folds.
herestoya folds.
producerasia folds.
GambleItUp calls [$60].
tiwana7 calls [$60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 3h, Jc ]
GambleItUp bets [$125].
tiwana7 raises [$250].
Extratopping raises [$700].
GambleItUp is all-In [$1775]
tiwana7 is all-In [$412]
Extratopping calls [$1200].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
Extratopping shows [ Kc, Ac ] high card ace.
GambleItUp shows [ 8c, 9c ] a straight, seven to jack.
tiwana7 doesn't show [ Ts, Ad ] a pair of tens.
GambleItUp wins $2476 from side pot #1 with a straight, seven to jack.
GambleItUp wins $2253 from the main pot with a straight, seven to jack.
 
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Old 06-27-2005, 03:50 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Absolutely nothing you did wrong here. I just ran the odds through poker calculator and you were the 45.35% favorite to win that hand, which out of a 3-way affair gives you a big +EV.

Since the guy with AT was conseriable shortstacked, a lot of the pot was just between you and GambleItUp. However, your hand was a 72% to 28% favorite over his hand heads up in this situation.

Going all in with the other two guys going all in is exactly what you want assuming you dont think any sets are lurking out there.
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Absolutely nothing you did wrong here. I just ran the odds through poker calculator and you were the 45.35% favorite to win that hand, which out of a 3-way affair gives you a big +EV.

Since the guy with AT was conseriable shortstacked, a lot of the pot was just between you and GambleItUp. However, your hand was a 72% to 28% favorite over his hand heads up in this situation.

Going all in with the other two guys going all in is exactly what you want assuming you dont think any sets are lurking out there.

i agree and disagree. i prefer to be the one making the all in bet rather than calling here (semi-bluffing). but calling it is hard to do with only a flush draw and basically high card ace. if i've had a good day i may make the call but i doubt it...alot of money on a draw, that is assuming you put 1 of them on atleast a pair. i've done it b4 though. sad thing is if the same thing happens against me and they hit i get ticked and consider it a HORRIBLE play on their part. LOL
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Old 06-29-2005, 03:03 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Absolutely nothing you did wrong here. I just ran the odds through poker calculator and you were the 45.35% favorite to win that hand, which out of a 3-way affair gives you a big +EV.

Since the guy with AT was conseriable shortstacked, a lot of the pot was just between you and GambleItUp. However, your hand was a 72% to 28% favorite over his hand heads up in this situation.

Going all in with the other two guys going all in is exactly what you want assuming you dont think any sets are lurking out there.

i agree and disagree. i prefer to be the one making the all in bet rather than calling here (semi-bluffing). but calling it is hard to do with only a flush draw and basically high card ace. if i've had a good day i may make the call but i doubt it...alot of money on a draw, that is assuming you put 1 of them on atleast a pair. i've done it b4 though. sad thing is if the same thing happens against me and they hit i get ticked and consider it a HORRIBLE play on their part. LOL
Your forgetting a few things.

One, this is 2000 NL not 50 NL or whatever you might be used to palying. 2000 NL has a lot of semi-bluffing, and people calling raised pots with connected suitors.

Two, even if someone has a pair, ilikeaces still has better odds, since he has two overs + gut shot + flush draw.
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Old 06-29-2005, 06:32 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Assuming his overs aren't good, which they should be...well...at least one of 'em should be, then he still has a gutshot + a flush draw. That's more than he needs to get it all in there, hoping for two callers. Heck, even against he one guy who already went all in, he has good odds for.

Furthermore, even though aces doesn't officially know it yet, the one guy with an open ended straight flush draw has a WHOLE BUNCH of his outs destroyed by aces having AKc. The Qc now would give aces a royal flush, while giving him a straight flush and any club except the 7c gives aces the flush. Therefore, that gives him even better odds on his call.

The eventual winner of this hand had to dodge a bazillion outs to win this. Aces made the right call here; just sucks that he lost.

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Absolutely nothing you did wrong here. I just ran the odds through poker calculator and you were the 45.35% favorite to win that hand, which out of a 3-way affair gives you a big +EV.

Since the guy with AT was conseriable shortstacked, a lot of the pot was just between you and GambleItUp. However, your hand was a 72% to 28% favorite over his hand heads up in this situation.

Going all in with the other two guys going all in is exactly what you want assuming you dont think any sets are lurking out there.

i agree and disagree. i prefer to be the one making the all in bet rather than calling here (semi-bluffing). but calling it is hard to do with only a flush draw and basically high card ace. if i've had a good day i may make the call but i doubt it...alot of money on a draw, that is assuming you put 1 of them on atleast a pair. i've done it b4 though. sad thing is if the same thing happens against me and they hit i get ticked and consider it a HORRIBLE play on their part. LOL
Your forgetting a few things.

One, this is 2000 NL not 50 NL or whatever you might be used to palying. 2000 NL has a lot of semi-bluffing, and people calling raised pots with connected suitors.

Two, even if someone has a pair, ilikeaces still has better odds, since he has two overs + gut shot + flush draw.


i play $2000 and $1000 NL exclusively. and while i agree with what you said about the "semi-bluffing and calling raised pots with connected suitors" I don't think i call $1000 reraise with nothing more than 2 overs and a draw....but thats just how I play it, to each his own. like i said i have made similar calls, really depends on how my days going. once again its MY opinion on how i play it
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Old 06-29-2005, 11:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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my apologies, didnt nkow you play those high of stakes.. I suppose you have a point.
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no worries m8. then again what do i know...i called a $1500 reraise on a Ah Kh Qh flop when i held Jh 10c...fig i had the str8 and 4 to nut flush (and only a 10h away from royal flush) ended up not catching another heart and losing to 3h 5h flush. not my usual style but was having a very good day and fig i'd gamble. sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesnt. i'll gamble occasionally like that, just not my preference. i wanna put them in the hotseat and stay out of it as much as possible. maybe i should loosen up a little.
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Old 06-30-2005, 03:04 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Yup, it's the replies in this thread that make me believe the High Stakes forum was a bit premature.

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Old 06-30-2005, 04:10 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I personally felt embarassed by spino1i's reply, but I know that shit happens so its all good. At least we know that they are both good sports.


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Yup, it's the replies in this thread that make me believe the High Stakes forum was a bit premature.

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That's probably true but its been good reading and the only direction to go is up. I'm just glad there is starting to be some discussion going on in here, even if it hasn't always been of the same caliber as that other forum's high stakes section.
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Old 06-30-2005, 04:18 AM #11 (permalink)  
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i dont like this play so much just because your stacks arent even. yes you have 2 nut draws and are over 33% favorite to win (great for 3way action), but one of the 3 is considerably short stacked so its essentially a HU match. although the outcome was good, you had 89c right where you wanted him and he sucked out huge, i think this is a bit too much risk vs the potential reward.

amazing call by AT btw.
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Old 06-30-2005, 01:25 PM #12 (permalink)  
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That's probably true but its been good reading and the only direction to go is up. I'm just glad there is starting to be some discussion going on in here, even if it hasn't always been of the same caliber as that other forum's high stakes section.
The problem is it is of almost no calibur at all. I had to explain myself too much in my own threads and discussion on most hands becomes speculation about how different 10/20 is from 1/2.

The only way for it to improve is to bring in more high stakes players.

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Old 06-30-2005, 03:37 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I guess you're right...It is weird having small stakes players commenting on 10/20 NL hands and sarcastic 3-post assholes replying with garbage as well.
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I guess you're right...It is weird having small stakes players commenting on 10/20 NL hands and sarcastic 3-post assholes replying with garbage as well.
highest i play is 500NL...am i not supposed to comment in this forum? just wondering.
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I play 400 and 600 NL .. that is high stakes right?
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I guess you're right...It is weird having small stakes players commenting on 10/20 NL hands and sarcastic 3-post assholes replying with garbage as well.
highest i play is 500NL...am i not supposed to comment in this forum? just wondering.
I wasn't talking about you at all, it was just an obersvation. The highest I play is 100NL so I am not here to pick who should and shouldnt post. To me 500NL counts as high stakes, but probably not to the 2k NL players.
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That's probably true but its been good reading and the only direction to go is up. I'm just glad there is starting to be some discussion going on in here, even if it hasn't always been of the same caliber as that other forum's high stakes section.
The problem is it is of almost no calibur at all. I had to explain myself too much in my own threads and discussion on most hands becomes speculation about how different 10/20 is from 1/2.

The only way for it to improve is to bring in more high stakes players.

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Michael1123 has declared this forum for 3/6 NL and above. Deep stack 2/4 should be fine but it's Michael's call.

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