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Old 01-02-2006, 10:11 AM     Post subject: how to destack here? #1 (permalink)  
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My image is crappy and laggy and he has propably begged me as a big time bluffer. Should I 3-bet the flop, he calls too much pre- and post-flop.. I will give my other thoughts about this after some replies so that my opinions wont bias the replies.

Hand #166077883 at table: Table TH 375
Started: Sun Jan 01 22:30:01 2006

Saalis is at seat 2 with 1819.52
Boomah is at seat 3 with 724.87
Kameku10 is at seat 4 with 553.45
P0KERPR033 is at seat 5 with 416.70

Kameku10 posts the large blind 6.00
Boomah posts the small blind 3.00

Boomah: --, --
Kameku10: --, --
P0KERPR033: --, --
Saalis: 10d, Kc

Pre-flop:

P0KERPR033: Fold
Saalis: Raise 24.00
Boomah: Call 24.00
Kameku10: Fold

Flop (Board: 7h, 10c, Kd):

Boomah: Check
Saalis: Bet 30.00
Boomah: Raise 60.00 This is a min-raise, lowsy HH
Saalis: Call 60.00

Turn (Board: 7h, 10c, Kd, 3c):

Boomah: Bet 48.00
Saalis: Raise 168.00
Boomah: Call 168.00

River (Board: 7h, 10c, Kd, 3c, 8h):

Boomah: Check
Saalis: Bet 1567.52 his stack was about the size of the pot
Boomah: Fold

Saalis wins the pot of 507.00 by default

(3.00 rake were taken for this hand)
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Old 01-02-2006, 01:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Given the information you provided, definitely 3-bet the flop. Your hand is almost always ahead here, and there are a lot of scare cards that could come that would make you slow down/villain less apt to call. Villain could be trying to see the turn/river for cheap with a drawing hand, and you want to make sure you're charging him. If villain was on a pair of kings, you still want to push, since he sees you as laggy and could easily see your bet as a semi-bluff with a JQ/QA/JA type hand. Buid the pot early when there's less cards out- the way you played it makes it very difficult for the villain to put you on a weak hand.
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Old 01-03-2006, 10:30 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Thanks possessed, my plan was to just call to show weakness as I put him on just a K. I thought he would bet more on turn where I could've build the pot more then putting him AI on river. didnt work quite as planned..

here is another kind of hand. thoughts? standard at these stakes? I am new to the stakes so I need some feedback, please.

Hand #166764368 at table: Table TH 914
Started: Mon Jan 02 20:17:44 2006

arsenalfca is at seat 1 with 799.05
tunco is at seat 2 with 170.40
marctri is at seat 3 with 770.25
Saalis is at seat 4 with 612.50
feccia2 is at seat 5 with 121.72

Saalis posts the large blind 6.00
marctri posts the small blind 3.00

marctri: --, --
Saalis: 4d, 5d
feccia2: --, --
arsenalfca: --, --
tunco: --, --

Pre-flop:

feccia2: Call 6.00
arsenalfca: Raise 24.00
tunco: Fold
marctri: Fold
Saalis: Call 24.00 I call 3x more, these HH's suck
feccia2: Fold

Flop (Board: 2s, 3h, 5h):

Saalis: Check
arsenalfca: Bet 48.00 he almost always bets
Saalis: Raise 114.00 I think I am able to take it down here
arsenalfca: Raise 234.00 now I am pretty sure he has an overpair here
Saalis: All in but I also think that he is able to fold it, if not I most likely have as much as 13 outs.

arsenalfca: Fold

Saalis wins the pot of 522.00 by default

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Old 01-03-2006, 10:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I would have raised him more the first time around- your min-raise has no folding power, villain is gonna call with pretty much anything. Given the min-raise though, I like the all-in play, because it gets villain to dump small overpairs and AK/AQ. Next time though, raise more when someone bets less than the pot on a flop like that, since it either means he wants to draw or he's scared of a bigger overpair, unless villain plays tricky.
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:13 AM #5 (permalink)  

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For the second hand, I like the small min-raise here, as it will freeze a habitual continuation bettor. It also allows you to gain some much needed info if the player always bets the flop about his current hand. I think the most likely holdings of this player is a pocket pair such as 77 or 88. With that tricky board its hard to call an all in after you've shown strength out of position, representing A4 or a small set you want to protect from draws. Starting around 600nl, players will start to give you credit for hands and I like the way you played this semi-bluff, though out of position it should be reserved for few occurances against aggressive flop players.

The first hand hes most likely folding QJ or 89, as there are no flush draws, which means you should come over and hammer his flop min-raise that he is using to get his draw out for cheaper. If he folds, fine you take the pot. If he calls, you have a bigger pot for the turn which means you can charge more still giving him odds for the straight and you'll take the pot two thirds of the time. If he raises your reraise on the flop, I feel its an automatic push unless he's really really tight, as the only thing you are "really" worried about is 77 and I will pay that off every time. You may not be able to destack a draw, but you will generally get more than you did out of it. Possessd is right though, there is no way for you to have a weaker hand than two pair there so you will only get called by a set or a made straight with the double gutted J9 on the river, both of which beat you.
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