Originally Posted by gabe

Hero ($1000)
Button ($4779)

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Lol, extremely bold

I often play a flopped set (that's what you are trying to represent?) with this line precisely if the board has draws(usually 3-bet pots), and it's almost always called down if the "draws" miss. In a 2-bet pot and without obvious draws, this can work better as a bluff, but I think you need to have good reads on opp.


What do you put villain on? Would villain really value bet river with AK/AQ? Your two calls are very scary on this drawless board and I certainly would not value bet top pair here. So isn't he representing at least two pair, like 89?

The more I look at it, the more it looks like villain was three barreling this time, so in a way you were lucky, or do you really think villain would fold something like two pair here? He might easily let go of AK/AQ, but then why bet that crap in the first place...

Originally Posted by Lukie

it's HU, gotta VB AK/AQ here b/c it's good such a high % of the time. you don't need to have 2p+ to 3barrell hu that's for sure...

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

that seems like a big spew by aba....

Originally Posted by sauce123

haha... i make ppl tilt like a monkey sometimes



PokerStars GAME #11220286532: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/07/30 - 15:48:03 (ET)
Table 'Rhodope III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Lyric ($1114 in chips)
Seat 2: mossyhorn ($2284 in chips)
Seat 3: Sauce123 ($1081.75 in chips)
Seat 4: byebyeguy ($1525.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mikek15 ($1947 in chips)
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD ($202 in chips)
byebyeguy: posts small blind $5
mikek15: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sauce123 [As Jh]
IMSAKIDD: folds
Lyric: raises $20 to $30
mossyhorn: calls $30
Sauce123: raises $100 to $130
byebyeguy: folds
mikek15: folds
Lyric: raises $984 to $1114 and is all-in
mossyhorn: folds
Sauce123: calls $951.75 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ac 4h]
*** TURN *** [Qc Ac 4h] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Ac 4h 6c] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lyric: shows [Ah 5h] (a pair of Aces)
Sauce123: shows [As Jh] (a pair of Aces - Queen+Jack kicker)
Sauce123 collected $2205.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2208.50 | Rake $3
Board [Qc Ac 4h 6c 7h]
Seat 1: Lyric showed [Ah 5h] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: mossyhorn folded before Flop
Seat 3: Sauce123 (button) showed [As Jh] and won ($2205.50) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: byebyeguy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: mikek15 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Originally Posted by sauce123

A2s+, AQ+, JJ+ hmmmmmmm which one of these doesnt belong?

Originally Posted by wufwugy

You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.

Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate.

Originally Posted by pocketfours

FINALLY a hand that qualifies.

Texas Hold'em $10-$20 NL (real money)
Seat 7: BUTTON ($5,083.20 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO [ AH,7D ] ($1,015.00 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
BUTTON posts blind ($5), HERO posts blind ($10).

PRE-FLOP
BUTTON bets $30, HERO bets $120, BUTTON calls $95.

FLOP [board cards 9H,10D,10C ]
HERO checks, BUTTON checks.

TURN [board cards 9H,10D,10C,8H ]
HERO bets $250, BUTTON calls $250.

RIVER [board cards 9H,10D,10C,8H,4H ]
HERO checks, BUTTON bets $880, HERO calls $635 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
BUTTON shows [ QS,6S ]
HERO shows [ AH,7D ]
BUTTON wins $245, HERO wins $2030


I hope this thread isn't meant for educational purposes

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

wtf. this must have made villain just a wee bit angry.

Originally Posted by Lukie

Shortstackers have an inherent advantage over the rest of the table. It shouldn't be very hard at all for him to be a winning player (he is) if he's halfway decent (he is).

Originally Posted by wufwugy

I've heard about this advantage, but I don't quite buy that it makes winning easier. Getting raped by the blinds is a huge disadvantage. Of the 50k+ hands I've played as a shortstack, I'm a big loser.

Maybe I played wrong, though. I thought I played right according to all the 'right' information, but maybe that's wrong. What are Imsakidd and Kurosh's vpip/pfr?

Originally Posted by Lukie

I sincerely doubt you were playing with all the 'right' information; info out there typically isn't very good for poker at all and there is even less good info out there for shortstacking. Which is actually a very good thing because good ones just make games worse. As far as their vpip's/pfr's they are probably a lot laggier (relatively) than you think, maybe 18/16 or something. That range and how you would optimally play with those stacks is far different than if you were playing deeper, though.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

I've heard about this advantage, but I don't quite buy that it makes winning easier.